Welcome to part two.
the episode with Lisa Hurley Welcome to the Trill MBA show, the career management podcast, teaching black women how to become unstoppable at work.
I'm Felicia Ann Rose Enuha, AKA the Trillest MBA delivering the inspiring truth through strategies and tactics.
So you feel protected, confident, and ready to conquer your career.
You know, you say loving yourself is about choosing alignment.
Even when it's uncomfortable.
So what is the hardest thing you had to let go of to really start loving yourself on purpose?
I had to let go of the path.
you you mentioned it a little bit earlier.
I mentioned it in the book.
The path is the, you know, in certain cultures, especially a lot of marginalized cultures.
Listen, if you're not a doctor, lawyer, engineer, are you even?
worthy as a human being, right?
We know a lot.
That's true for a lot of us, right?
So the path is making sure that you're on one of those tracks already.
If you're not on one of those tracks, it's like, okay, you've already reduced a bit in your quote unquote in your value as a human being.
Right.
Then you're supposed to graduate at the top of your class.
You mentioned this earlier.
Get a good job, get promoted, go back and do your masters and be whatever.
Get another job.
Get promoted again.
And in between there,
You're also supposed to, you know, get an appropriate spouse, have the appropriate number of children.
All of that is the path.
I had to let go of the path.
That was one of the major things because I was actually again, going back to remembering who you are and who you've always I was never that person.
I was never that person.
I wasn't.
I didn't realize it at the time.
think back to one of my jobs that I have in that I had in when I worked in Barbados.
Barbados is an island in the Caribbean.
A lot of the jobs available there are in the tourism industry.
Right.
I was working at the front desk and one of my bosses noticed, you know, anytime they asked.
Hey, does somebody want to go and don't know, insert whatever it is, go and deliver this, go and check on whatever.
I was like, I'll do it.
I'll do it.
And eventually he's like, you don't like being at the desk, like stationer.
I was like, no, I don't.
Your behavior will tell on you.
Yeah.
What they were asking to be done still needed to be done.
Don't get me wrong.
But he definitely noticed that wait, this is always the one that wants to be like, I want to run away.
I don't want to be stationary at the desk.
Number one, number two is I eventually realized I do not have a customer service personality.
I love how you put that.
Yes.
I don't have the personality.
It's just like realizing that I'm being okay with that.
This is why I do solitary things.
Like,
No, and that key right there.
You gotta know it yourself.
Because being realistic about who you are, about what you love, about what makes your soul and your spirit sing, all of that is part of loving yourself.
Right.
And then translating that into, well, who do I want to be now?
How do I want to be in the world?
Where do I want to be?
mean, it sounds like a typical um corporate question.
Where do I want to be five years from now?
Guess what?
No, this company.
you're saying the quiet part out loud and i am here for it because i am the person that will say the quiet part out loud
Listen, has better in store for me.
And so it's being clear about those things and being OK with walking away when they don't serve you and being OK to ah speak a different truth and claim a different reality for
yourself.
And so I had to walk away from the path and what had been expected of me all along and really delve into
That actually, that might be true for some people, but it is not true for me and that is okay.
It's okay if I am not a corporate person, quote unquote.
I am uh too direct.
You literally have to become an actress if you were direct.
at my time at a particular company, decided that I was going to adopt a persona.
um Did your persona have a name by the way?
No, I didn't give her a name because I think my spirit wasn't really aligned to this strategy, but I was testing this because I had a friend who told me about her Pollyanna
and I was like, I think in this particular culture that might work for me.
So let me try it.
I started when I from day one, I had these rules.
I'm going to.
grin and show my gums all the time.
If my cheeks don't hurt at the end of the day, I didn't do it right.
I am going to speak in higher pitched tones because my voice naturally is deeper.
So I would say talk like this.
my goodness, guys, that is awesome.
Oh my God.
Wow.
Really?
my goodness.
And then to throw them off a little bit one-on-one.
I'd be like, now why are we doing this again?
And make jokes and be, you know, ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Right?
Because I'm building relationships.
So one-on-one, I'd be a little more familiar.
And that was always fun because that's closer to my actual personality.
But in big means, like every Friday we would have this team meeting on Teams.
And I'd be like, I'd come on the meeting, hey guys!
I y'all glad it's Friday.
Oh my God, we're doing so good.
I know it's rough, but you know, we gonna make it.
I was just super positivity.
And that worked.
That was working well.
I had never been received so well.
That's actually a bit sad.
But then what had happened was...
What happened?
oh
I saw George Floyd get killed on my TV.
Yep.
And then I broke character.
Hmm y'all do it So you saw that happen on TV and then you went to work the next day, huh?
uh What happened?
It took 48 hours.
see what had happened was then they had you in these meetings, these listening.
We want to listen.
And da da da.
I was like, oh, y'all want to understand now?
Let me tell you something.
Hunters!
You know what your problem is?
Let me tell you what the problem is.
You wanna know what the problem is?
You really wanna know?
No, no, do you really wanna know?
So I went from, hey guys, da da da da, and I think at first I tried to be like, well, you know, I think what we need is understanding.
And I just, and then at a certain point I broke.
was like, nah, you know what?
I'm tired.
Like stop acting like you don't know what to do.
The human thing to do.
Now this is in the big meeting.
I'm saying it.
The human thing to do right now, if you have a direct report who's black, you call them up on Teams and just say, Hey, I just want to know, are you okay?
How are you?
And then just listen.
Like make space to listen to us.
Y'all, but y'all don't want to listen.
Y'all won't listen cause you scared.
What you scared of?
Aren't we all human beings?
Like I had a whole child and my friend, my friend, worked together.
He was like, what happened to happy Friday?
Woo!
That was a 180, that was like pshh!
Listen and then they didn't know what to think they was looking at me and I was like, know what?
I Got this other offer over here and you're acting the fools.
I'm gonna go over here and make more money So that's what happened
Love that story
You know, that's another part of, because we're talking about, you know, the second part of the framework about, you know, it's know yourself and now we're in love yourself,
right?
That is also a part of loving yourself.
It's advocating for yourself to be treated appropriately.
I'm not never asking for anybody to kiss the proverbial ring.
That's not what I'm asking for.
I'm asking for basic respect.
Basic!
I feel like it's basic!
you treat me with respect.
I always say look the Lisa you get is based on you because I another part of loving yourself is you know what another thing I'm not about to be the bigger person no no no no
not about to do that not about to do the thing where you disrespect me publicly but you want to talk about it privately no no no we're going to talk about it I'll reply all
In public like how you started trying to disrespect me.
And let me tell you why that's important.
recently re-released an episode from last season with Razzlyn Wooten.
She is a PR comms executive.
She owns her own PR agency.
Now she shared her story, her horror story, working for Target being put on three pips.
subsequently she left Target, started working with a company called Invesco and she actually sued them in one.
for discrimination, it was bad.
But in that story with Invesco, her manager would intentionally tell her things to her face and be like, oh, you know what?
Don't go to that meeting with that person.
I'll handle it or whatever.
And then the next day, so she doesn't go to the meeting.
Then the next day, people are like, well, why I wasn't razzling in the meeting?
And then she goes,
I don't know why she wasn't in the meeting.
I'll have to talk to her about that.
So then that would be an email.
But then Razzlyn would be like, but you told me not to go.
And then she wouldn't respond to that email.
She'd call her.
Oh my bad.
I forgot.
I forgot I told you that.
But now in email, it makes it seem like she told me to do something and I didn't do it.
So it's very important.
Yeah.
When you that phone call, then respond email.
thank you so much for that.
You know, so glad we got to chat earlier.
Right.
And you said this and I just want to make sure that, you know, let me know if there's anything incorrect with what I said.
So that way, if they don't respond, their non-response means that there was nothing incorrect with what you said and everything you said was correct.
And then when you go to court, if you have to end up in court, Lord, pray you don't have to end up in court, but in court.
Now you have your documentation and if you guys haven't heard that story, go back and listen to those episodes.
I feel like we should make a movie out of it.
It was wild.
was like, girl.
But yeah, it's wild out here.
I know I've been through it.
I've heard a lot of stories and it's like we're running the tape, put a different name in, put a different company name.
And rinse and repeat.
Like it's amazing.
The.
It's it is a playbook.
And you mentioned this in the book, like she ran the play back.
ran the playbook.
I was like, yes, she did.
I know she did.
Once you said she cried, I was like.
You're done for.
Again, still remember the thing is, I actually wrote double what I was initially in terms of word count.
And what you saw, some of it that has been deleted.
Like this is the edited down version.
So that's why I'm saying it's like there are so many stories, whether it is mine, yours, so many other.
black women and people of the global majority.
This kind of thing happens all the time.
And I remember after, um you know, basically, you know, the person was forced to apologize to me.
And so she, you know, very reluctantly called a one on one meeting sat down in this meeting in front of me.
Right.
They supposed I don't want to use the word victim, but you understand the right.
The person upon whom the harm had been perpetrated.
Exactly.
And she starts crying and I literally, I literally tilted my head to this side and I said, can you explain?
No, I'm sure that didn't help.
Can you explain to me why you are crying?
What did she say?
I can't share because the response might make the person fully recognizable.
don't want to do that.
I know you understand.
know you understand.
But it was ridiculous because it's one of these things where it's like, well, know, my hair is purple.
So I understand exactly what it's like to be a black person.
It was like one of those.
Oh,
Jesus
Because I too have been discriminated against from my purple hair
And that's why you were, oh, no, that's not what we do.
But, let me give a tip.
If you find yourself in a room with somebody crying, you get up, you get a bottle of water and you say, drink this.
And then after you drink, we can have a real conversation because it is very difficult for the human body to drink water and cry at the same time.
Huh.
And I'm not even saying and don't even do it in a calmly way.
Like just matter of factly.
Yeah.
Drink.
Then we'll talk.
Yeah.
And just sit there and look at them crazy and they get themselves together because that's ridiculous.
So I want to take a quick break, pay some bills.
But when we get back, I want to get into before I let you go, I want to get into the last section of your book about be yourself because this feels
dangerous for us for everything we've been talking about, but I think that you have given us a key.
And I want to talk about that when we get back.
you
And we are back.
We are having a wonderful conversation with Lisa Hurley, author of Space to Exhale.
I love the title of this book.
It it makes me it reminds me to breathe.
Just the title alone reminds me to breathe.
But better than just the title of the book are the actionable guides and steps to getting to a place to exist.
in the construct that we found ourselves, but like get back to ourselves, love ourselves.
And now Lisa, the last section of the talks about be yourself.
And I'm going tell you, I am currently battling with this thing.
This is why this book hit me so hard because I'm battling about how do I love myself?
What does that mean?
What does that look like?
Like I'm in this space in my life where
I am trying to figure out exactly who I am or who I want to be.
So for me, this body of work that you have lovingly put together and every chapter reminding me to breathe, giving me different ways to breathe for different things.
Like I was just like, my God, I really be holding my breath.
The thing is, we don't even realize it because, you know, to use the vernacular, right?
We know that we can't just...
Otherwise something might pop off, right?
Yeah.
Something might pop off.
I'm able to get hurt.
We're aware of that.
We want to still be around and, you know, um for ourselves and our families.
And so we almost hold ourselves tightly.
Right?
Hold ourselves tightly.
We hold in our emotions.
We hold in our feelings, our um anger.
Right?
And then beneath the anger, sometimes, you know, the pain and the sadness, the disappointment, the feelings of unsafety and abandonment.
We hold all that in because like you were just saying, if we cry, if we let it out, if we express it, somehow that is seen as wrong.
We are overtly or covertly punished for that directly or indirectly.
We're punished.
And so we know we can't just let our feelings out.
Right.
So we do hold our feelings in.
And yes, we do hold our breath.
You know, we're all in almost a constant state of almost like not oxygen deficiency, but definitely a state of almost permanent tension.
Right.
You know, it's like if you many of us walk around, we hold our tummies in, right?
Yes, I do.
Listen, let your tummy out.
Breathe in, exhale and let your tummy out.
Let your tummy out.
nobody looking at your belly right now.
Right.
Love your belly just the way it is.
Let me tell you.
I'm just gonna be frank, know, a vice president and chairperson of the IBTC, my belly may or may not, allegedly, be further out.
Allegedly?
Hypothetically, may or may not be out of proportion to the B part of that acronym, right?
Right.
However yet and still, my belly deserves to relax.
All that tension we are, who are we holding the belly in for?
Especially when you realize you're sitting out at home on your own couch in front of your Netflix, eating your own chips and ice cream.
Who are you holding your belly in for?
No.
Let's say you're doing a photo shoot or you have, I don't know, you're walking across the stage and you're like, okay, I might need to.
I mean, I'm like what?
Just for the angle.
Right?
All of that.
So you do all of that, but let the belly go.
Let your shoulders relax.
Girl, your jaw.
You know where we hold a lot of tension in our eyebrows?
Right across here, your eyebrows and just underneath.
Yeah.
When you realize, well, I'm holding all of this
stress and tension and for what?
But it has become almost ingrained and so that is why we have to like consciously and repeatedly and consistently take these steps to exhale, take breath, let your belly out,
let your waistline breathe as I say.
Kimono's open and let your waistline breathe.
Yeah, know, let your waistline relax, let your belly relax.
Who are we trying to impress at home on our couch?
You know, and if we are at the point where we can't even be ourselves in our own house, this is what the world has done to us.
And so we have to push back against that.
be yourself in terms of showing up exactly as who you are.
Right.
Going back to the other chapters.
Right.
If you are the person, like I said, I am not a corporate girly as much as it's possible now.
please out with common sense.
Right.
I have a 95.
I do the people that work.
I always I show up.
I do the people's work.
This is what I'm being paid to do.
You act in integrity.
Yes.
But let me tell you not an ounce more than that work.
Not a happy hour, not a stretch.
But again, this is for me bearing in mind I'm at a different phase of my career.
facts.
Y'all in your 20s, 30s, sometimes even 40s, Build the relationships, network, do all of that, act responsibly, right?
Yes.
With all of those caveats in place.
No, they're not getting anything more than what is contracted because I have already, I've done that.
I've been there, I've done that.
I've done
the happy hours I've done the trying to network.
This is as somebody who is extremely introverted.
The amount of energy it takes for me to introverted and pretty much a teetotaler.
So I don't drink either.
And I was supposed to spend my time as for me and my family and my creativity and my puppy dog with no.
So you but you have to know
what you want and also be okay with it's equally okay to want a job as is to want a career.
Let me say that again.
It is equally okay to want and to have a job as it is to want and to have a career.
A job and a career not the same thing.
They are not.
Career has pathing in mind.
There's pathing, there's progression.
Et cetera, et cetera.
I'm sure you can speak to this even more than you can.
And the job is what it is for the paycheck to pay your bills.
And is OK.
Fuel what could be your career if you were creative and you're working to commercialize your creativity, then let the job fuel that.
Yeah.
So do the job.
Do the job responsibly, know, act in integrity, do what you are contracted to do and then be done with it and then do what you want to do.
Right.
I would also say part of being yourself is also knowing that you don't have to.
Everything doesn't have to be monetized.
Right.
So you don't you also don't have to do the well, if I'm not going to have a career, I'm going to have a side hustle.
You don't have to do all of
Yeah, because I love in the book you talk about how your side hustle had a side hustle.
And that led to some burnout.
Yeah, people did not realize I had a 95 because I mean, I've now taken all of my, shall we say, corporate jobs off of my LinkedIn, right?
Which feels wonderful.
must just I'm like, I don't need that.
I don't need them.
I don't.
Yeah.
Which is beautiful.
The people with whom I am going to collaborate in future are not going to care.
I have to trust and believe that.
Right.
Now, mind you, again, use logic.
Did I copy paste all of that content?
into a Google Doc for if I ever.
know, we believe we believe in backups and we believe in receipts.
So access access some logic.
I'm not saying go on, wipe out your entire LinkedIn.
what I do.
The documentation, have your documentation, keep your backups.
So for me, if ever there comes a time where it needs to be reinstated, I have it there.
I don't even need to think about it.
Right.
And so it's OK to just be yourself.
And in that acceptance, make adjustments to your life, to truly reflect who you are and what you want for yourself, as opposed to blindly getting on what I call the treadmill of
the path and it feeling like motion with no progress.
Right.
You're just there and you're walking and you're walking and walking.
You're like, wait, I'm actually in the same place.
You know, because you go to job number one.
And then you hit that glass ceiling and then they put you on a pit and then you go to job number two and it starts all over again and they say, they're technically overqualified,
but we need you to start at entry level.
They come up with some foolish excuse.
And then you have to take a pay cut, start all over again.
Again, treadmill, treadmill, treadmill.
Why?
Yeah.
Why?
Here's the thing, you don't know this.
Because we're not besties yet.
But we will be.
But you are reading me for filth right now.
What?
Yes, you are reading me for filth right now and you have no idea.
Alright, talk to me, talk to me, tell me.
Because I, my mom was education is the key and her brother, so my mom had a brother and they had two different dads, but the same mom, my grandma.
So my uncle, he, his dad came and got him and made him go to Florida A &M for college.
And then that set him on this path to
you know, a better financial future than my mother who was told, marry well.
And she tried that because my dad's an engineer by trade, but like, yeah, it didn't work out.
But he's an engineer that is now on the continent of Africa.
oh He's very wealthy man from what I understand, but I ain't seen none of that and my mama didn't either.
she half picked right.
So because of that and because she wasn't lucky in love, she doubled down on this idea of this path.
And it was, I mean, if I...
oh
If I didn't make more, at least what I made the six weeks before.
So let's say one six weeks, I made a 95.
If I didn't make a 95 or better, I would get something taken away or I couldn't talk on the phone.
couldn't go to something I wanted to go to.
yeah, like, she was, it was unreal.
Like.
That's- is actually, you know, almost...
I was gonna say impossibly high, but I mean, clearly it's possible because you did it, but...
wow.
was her thing.
She was like, oh, you can make it like I was in like Head Start.
And so you get your little grades and Head Start for reading or whatever.
And she was like, you can make A's.
Always do this.
Hey, wait a minute.
I'm human.
no.
Listen, she was not here.
She was not here for it she was like, if you can make this hundred, you can always make this hundred.
you're not trying hard enough or you're putting you being lazy.
And I'm like, maybe I got that.
And maybe I didn't get this.
No, she was a stickler for that.
So much so like I would aim for a 94, 95, which is probably why I wasn't in contention for valedictorian because I was trying to prevent ass weapons.
So that's But she was talking about for a minute.
I don't know if you read that part of the book, if you did, do you remember where I talked about that exam that
No, the C was...
Yes, and you failed.
And I failed.
I failed.
was the last exam before the actual exam.
was the mock exam.
And I came second from the bottom in class.
Yes.
Mama would have had my tits.
the only thing, the only reason probably why I still have a behind is because it had been an ongoing struggle, you know.
Math is math is absolutely not my thing.
But let me tell you, but I passed the final and I passed the final with actually, guess, the equivalent of a B, which for me felt like an A plus given again.
Right.
But.
The reason why I'm sharing this is because I still remember thinking if I don't pass this, I'm going to embarrass my entire family name.
And so when you said what you just said about, know, you would have gotten you're trying to avoid ass whoopings.
I don't I'm not sure.
I mean, I got some ass whoopings in my time.
Don't get me wrong, right?
But I don't even remember if at that age I was still getting ass whoopings.
But
there definitely was that sense of if you don't get a certain grade or perform in a certain way, there will be shame and like worse than the ass whooping, right?
Because then you get those looks and the girl will happen to you and da da da da, you know, all that sort of stuff.
eh
so disappointed in you.
I feel for baby you.
I feel for baby me.
I feel for the baby version of so many of us who are, who live in fear because that is what it is.
It is fear of punishment and retaliation because maybe, just maybe we're having a, an off day or a bad moment or some people are great during the term, but are not good exam
papers.
Some people can play the full of the whole term, but then turn in a brilliant exam.
But you ask them a question, did they have the exam?
They have no idea.
Because they have a lot of work, then they pass the exam, which are two different things.
But I am beginning to see more and more gentle parenting.
And I am grateful.
love it.
love it I'm so jealous of these kids.
was like, oh, you broke something and your mom didn't whoop you.
She hugged you.
I to this day, me and my mom, I mean we laugh about it now, but I remember once because you know Mother Vision is x-ray, right?
They see around corners and through walls and whatever.
They know.
They just know.
So somehow around that same age actually, so I believe I was doing this with her permission.
was, I had nail polish.
I was putting nail polish on my toenails.
The nail polish was chocolate brown.
We had a rug.
that had, I see you're already looking scared.
You're You're ready.
Like, wait, carpeting is involved.
Carpeting is involved.
tell me this.
How did my mom see the dark brown nail polish on the dark brown part of the rug standing up three feet away?
Ask me how.
I have no idea to this day, but she saw it.
They
no idea.
And I think I must have blanked out.
I don't remember exactly what happened.
It probably was not pleasant, you know, because I don't, I really don't.
like, I know something happened because I was, I spilled nail polish on the rug.
And then I went to school the next day.
I don't know what happened in between.
It was a Sunday night.
The next day I went to school, I don't know what happened in between.
It was Monday, it just turned into...
They look beautiful.
They were very cute, I have to say.
Mine might also have been polished.
Right?
I don't know.
I don't want to tell lies on my mom.
I'm not...
I truly, I'm not sure what happened, but something happened.
Well, you know you weren't supposed to be polishing your nails on the rug like that.
You knew better.
You know
mentality.
That was the mentality.
just want something soft.
again, I polish my nails, looking back, part of the reason why I wanted my foot, my feet on something soft is because now I know I'm autistic, right?
And have sensory like to the literally right now, I have a blanket as we are recording this, I have a blanket over my lap.
Because I must always have something soft and cuddly.
Always.
I don't know what it is, but it's just a thing.
I didn't know what it was back then.
Now I can look and retroactively realize, I'm like, oh, that's what that was.
That's why.
But yeah, we don't know.
We didn't know.
But there was no room.
this is why I tell people there was no room.
part of the reason why there was no grace is because we were socialized to protect.
So people get mad about respectability politics and I don't.
I mean, I don't agree with respectability politics.
I don't get mad because there was a time
where if you showed your ass, could die.
You could.
Yes.
So it is.
It is a it does come from wanting to protect it and and bearing in mind again, everything is tied into slavery.
Right.
It ties back to slavery.
So when you hear parents say, basically, I'm a beat you before you leave the house.
So nobody has to beat you while you're out of the house.
If I didn't hear that five million times as a child.
right?
am.
I am.
Yes, because that that that is I'm a beat you.
So Masa doesn't beat you.
That's where that comes from.
That is where that
deeply ingrained.
So it is, it is beautiful to see that we are now at a space in time, even though we still, I don't feel particularly safe in this moment in the broader context of living in the
United States, but I take heart that
parents are working very hard, especially black parents are working very hard to allow their kids to exist.
without this need to instill this fear, because that fear, and you mentioned it in this story, that fear has been what's kept me from fully harnessing who I am.
the force that I was put on earth to be.
And this book, it spoke something to my spirit that I feel like God is working on.
And that's why I was so excited to have this conversation because I know I'm not alone.
I know there are so many people who've gone down the path and they probably shouldn't have ever gone down the path if they're honest with themselves.
Yep.
You're living under all these other people's expectations.
You're trying to make your parents proud because they work so hard and they struggle to give you everything they could and you want to honor that.
And so, no, you can't go off and be a painter or a poet or, you know, liberal arts major and then not go to medical school.
You need to get a real job.
Right, you need to get a real job.
And it is so, it has been so hard for me and I know God is working.
I know it, I feel it, but it has been so hard for me to divorce myself from that expectation.
Especially when I don't know where I'm supposed to exactly go next.
And I say I don't know and yet here I am producing a podcast.
Yes, because you took the words out of my mouth.
I'm like, really says it now in front of me telling me this because she knows, she knows I'm going to say something.
You don't know.
Let me tell you, right.
oh
safe.
This is not a profitable venture.
started this with my soul intention.
I think the same way with your soul intention for this book, right?
It's for the next generations, for the people coming after me.
I know what I went through and I started this healing journey and I want to bring you along because this has helped me and I can't gatekeep this.
I feel that.
And that's why for nine seasons now, I have been doing this podcast and the business side of podcasting.
have to learn and for whatever reason that has been a journey.
And so I show up because I don't do this necessarily for myself, even though I always benefit from the conversations of my guests.
I always benefit and then learn and I want to share that.
And that's great.
But I also also have bills.
And so what are we doing?
Right.
And so it's been this fear because also, also corporate doesn't like me having this podcast.
Yes, because can I can I just ask a question?
um You said nine seasons, Yeah.
Right.
So that equates to about four and a half years or so or how many?
Okay, so about eight years, right?
So you've been doing this for eight years.
Corporate doesn't like you um having it, right?
Because the podcast is great.
You and your podcast are forces of nature.
But if it was some little itty bitty fly by night podcast, it would not care.
So it is in fact a reflection.
Right.
Because, know, they want you to stay and be a worker bee.
Right.
And while I say I'm saying stay, I understand you understand what I mean.
You're between jobs now, but in general.
Right.
Yeah.
They want you to stay right to stay and be a worker bee.
God has bigger plans for you.
Right.
Yeah.
That's one of the reasons why the podcast is still going.
Right.
That is one of reasons, you know, you have sponsors and you do there's there's reasons.
I don't have no sponsors yet.
So if you would like to sponsor this podcast, anybody listening, would like to be a sponsor?
make this, make this happen.
Let there be sponsors and there were sponsors.
Let there be sponsors.
Okay.
And so all of this is happening because you are on your right path.
And sometimes it can be difficult.
I had to accept one of the reasons why apart from, you know, systemic racism, right.
But one of the reasons why for me personally, you know, yes, there were systemic forces at play, but I also did not
progress in a certain way in corporate because I was actually never meant to.
literally I don't fit there.
so therefore this stuff, why am I on this is now well, you know, I just started another podcast of my own, right?
This podcast number three.
So like you, God is also telling me something, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So all this stuff that I do outside of corporate blossoms like your podcast.
There's a reason why it's been around for nine seasons and will continue to be.
I so appreciate you so much.
Same here.
You have no idea.
I cannot wait.
When is the book coming out?
It's coming out on June 17th.
um
though?
It's so close to Juneteenth.
Listen, let me tell you how God works.
I had a different release date.
It was supposed to be May 6th.
Things happened.
Fast forward, new date, and I told the public, okay, great.
I want it to be June 17th because, first of all, traditionally published books normally release on Tuesdays.
So that would be the Tuesday.
My community, The Great Exhale, was launched on Juneteenth.
a couple of years ago.
And so it'll be book release day on June 17th, the second anniversary of The Great Exhale on June 19th, which is Juneteenth.
And then I'm having an in-person um launch event on Saturday, June 21st.
So that whole week is just, I'm like, okay, that's my week.
It's one big celebration.
And so I'm excited about it.
I have so many hopes and dreams and wishes for this book, right?
I'm not going to lie.
There's a, you know, I'm a human being and all human beings have um human wishes, right?
My human, one of my human wishes is for the book to make one of the bestseller lists.
That's what I would love.
Honestly, when I was writing the book, though, that was not on my mind at all.
My goal as a as a Reiki master, as an auntie, as a human being with some some
love in their heart and empathy.
want the book, I want Space Text Hill to be like a portal to healing and to elevation and to self-love, to community care, to all of those good things and to black women feeling
better about themselves, treating themselves and each other better.
for, you know, the book is for everyone.
But of course, as you know, as you know, you've read it.
Everything I do, right, has black women at the center.
Everybody else that benefits, that's wonderful, but I'm always thinking about my sisters and I just want my sisters to feel seen, seen and believed and supported and held and
loved.
That's what I want by reading.
what this book has done.
You have accomplished that goal.
You really, really have.
I am proud to know you.
Thank you for coming into my life.
Thank you for doing the work to help us.
This book is going to reach the people right where they need it, when they need it.
And the time is now.
So listen, guys.
If you want to win a copy of Space to Exhale from the Trillin B.A.
show, giving away five, okay, you'll get them sometime the week of June 17th when the book comes out.
You will have a week, Sunday to Sunday, to email us at Ask a Trillin B.A.
and answer the following questions.
What are you going to do this week?
to remember to breathe.
Ooh, I love that.
And so the first five people that answer, send me that and answer the question and really answer it.
Like what practice are you going to put in place for yourself to remember to breathe?
ask@trillmba.com Lisa, thank you so, so much.
You are a treasure.
And I'm not just saying that because my nickname is Lisa.
Like, well Lisa's a-
that so we're really like releases yes
Hehehehehe!
Lisa, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
You are definitely a blessing.
Don't never let nobody tell you any different.
I'm so excited for this book to come out on June 17th.
Guys, if you haven't already gotten this book and you're seeing this after June 17th, run, don't walk, don't make haste, run out and get this book.
It will be available nationwide.
Okay.
Lisa, are there any websites or anything you want outside of the book you want us to know about other resources that you have curated?
Oh, oh, well, first of all, Lisa.
Thank you.
Everybody's going to be like, wait, who?
Two Lisa's I thought.
They'll figure it out.
If you know, know.
First of all, thank you so much for having me.
This conversation really, it just filled my spirit.
I feel blessed for this conversation.
It was entertaining.
It was fulfilling.
We did the key keying and all this stuff.
Right.
um So thank you so much for having me.
ah People can learn more about the book at space to exhale book dot com.
And I also have um space to exhale the podcast.
um It's available on Spotify, on YouTube, all the places per usual.
And yeah, that's it for that.
That's really it for me.
I'm on LinkedIn.
You know, look me up, Lisa Hurley.
People can find me there as well.
And thank you again.
This was just I don't know.
I love conversations like this that just like organically happen.
And it feels like a meeting of two kindred spirits.
So thank you for blessing me like this.
Thank you so much.
I'm just a mirror.
And guys, all those links will be in the show notes.
So until next time, guys, keep it true.
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