1 00:00:00,175 --> 00:00:06,302 And when you look at these corporations, they chew us up, they spit us out, and they're done with you. 2 00:00:06,302 --> 00:00:08,638 They just don't give a fuck. 3 00:00:09,262 --> 00:00:17,589 Welcome to the Trill MBA Show, the career management podcast teaching black women how to become unstoppable at work. 4 00:00:17,589 --> 00:00:19,150 I'm Felicia Ann Rose 5 00:00:19,150 --> 00:00:31,981 Enuha, AKA the Trillest MBA, delivering the inspiring truth through strategies and tactics so you feel protected, confident, and ready to conquer your career. 6 00:00:33,963 --> 00:00:37,105 Let's wrap up the show with Raslyn. 7 00:00:37,998 --> 00:00:40,032 All right, Raslyn and we are back. 8 00:00:40,032 --> 00:00:41,257 my God. 9 00:00:41,634 --> 00:00:43,082 Blinds for you, sweetheart. 10 00:00:43,082 --> 00:00:45,151 I feel like there's a lot of sun. 11 00:00:45,151 --> 00:00:45,872 oh 12 00:00:45,872 --> 00:00:49,745 yes, I just felt like God was shining on you. 13 00:00:49,745 --> 00:00:55,009 And I think it's symbolic of the sunshine that you're in now. 14 00:00:55,009 --> 00:01:03,896 So you have moved out of the country, but you are very much owning your own business. 15 00:01:03,896 --> 00:01:10,701 You actively have clients, but then you've started a new venture called Notable Career Magazine. 16 00:01:10,701 --> 00:01:13,042 And I want you to tell us. 17 00:01:13,270 --> 00:01:21,554 You know, what is your mission and your vision for this new magazine that is for us by you? 18 00:01:22,170 --> 00:01:27,497 But but it will be for us by us as this grows. 19 00:01:27,497 --> 00:01:29,377 I'm so excited about this. 20 00:01:33,842 --> 00:01:43,485 I mean, initially, all the things that I've gone through, everyone in my life kept saying, you need to write a book, you need to write a book. 21 00:01:43,485 --> 00:01:45,966 And I just didn't have it in me. 22 00:01:45,966 --> 00:01:50,366 Like, just, I can't keep rehashing the stuff. 23 00:01:50,648 --> 00:01:53,369 you know, like people are always like, I don't hold any grudges. 24 00:01:53,369 --> 00:01:54,149 I wish them the best. 25 00:01:54,149 --> 00:01:55,009 I hold grudges. 26 00:01:55,009 --> 00:01:56,410 I don't wish them the best. 27 00:01:56,410 --> 00:01:57,570 Fuck them. 28 00:01:57,858 --> 00:02:03,691 You know, they didn't give a shit about me and my energy is going to people like you, Felicia, that I give a shit about. 29 00:02:03,691 --> 00:02:03,991 Right. 30 00:02:03,991 --> 00:02:05,921 So I don't have space. 31 00:02:05,921 --> 00:02:15,346 But I think that I started this because the stories I would hear, I felt like, well, mine isn't even that bad. 32 00:02:15,346 --> 00:02:21,378 You know, there are women who were, you know, having to go through electric shock therapy after they left Target. 33 00:02:21,378 --> 00:02:24,330 There were women whose hair was falling out. 34 00:02:25,038 --> 00:02:29,180 All of us had our relationships impacted by these things. 35 00:02:29,180 --> 00:02:37,826 And what I realized was I had a mom who at one point was the, you know, director personnel at the University of Minnesota. 36 00:02:38,227 --> 00:02:40,278 My dad worked in corporate America. 37 00:02:40,278 --> 00:02:43,350 He was in the top executive in his company. 38 00:02:43,370 --> 00:02:47,453 I had parents who understood corporate America and what it did. 39 00:02:47,453 --> 00:02:52,236 So when I would come and be like, here's what they're doing, my parents would be like, whoa, okay. 40 00:02:52,236 --> 00:02:54,900 I think their first initial thing was 41 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,032 We had the same problems. 42 00:02:57,032 --> 00:03:05,117 thought sending you to private school, doing all these things, you know, sending you to Howard, you'd have a different experience, same thing. 43 00:03:05,117 --> 00:03:10,560 And I think that was heartbreaking to them because they really couldn't go in there and fix it. 44 00:03:11,010 --> 00:03:21,999 Well, on the other hand, a lot of women that were being sent to me didn't, you know, their parents were like, please, I made $10 an hour and you're complaining about your thousand 45 00:03:21,999 --> 00:03:22,719 dollar a year job. 46 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:24,184 You better make it work. 47 00:03:24,184 --> 00:03:30,597 How do you go and ask your mom or your dad who's never been there, who think you're the problem? 48 00:03:30,597 --> 00:03:33,438 Cause how do you fuck up this much money, goofy? 49 00:03:34,578 --> 00:03:42,622 And you know, they're like, if I had the chance to make that, I'd never fuck it up because they don't understand what it's really like. 50 00:03:43,562 --> 00:03:46,704 It's abusive relationship with corporate America. 51 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:47,724 think that we have. 52 00:03:47,724 --> 00:03:52,468 And so I started this magazine, Notable, because I felt like 53 00:03:52,468 --> 00:03:54,299 It wasn't about me and my story. 54 00:03:54,299 --> 00:03:57,722 Well, I think this hopefully can be helpful to someone. 55 00:03:57,722 --> 00:04:10,110 Like, I just wanted to provide information and for black women, because people kept saying, lean in and, you know, the memo and all these things and no disrespect to 56 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:13,532 anybody's, you know, thoughts about how this works. 57 00:04:13,593 --> 00:04:16,275 But I just felt like that's not even going to work here. 58 00:04:16,275 --> 00:04:18,086 Like, what are you talking about? 59 00:04:18,086 --> 00:04:21,110 Because if the onus is always here. 60 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:22,991 And I think we do the work. 61 00:04:22,991 --> 00:04:24,923 think we are introspective. 62 00:04:24,923 --> 00:04:27,665 think we are like, OK, where did I go wrong? 63 00:04:27,665 --> 00:04:29,496 Where did I miss these signs? 64 00:04:29,496 --> 00:04:31,718 What could I done for me? 65 00:04:31,718 --> 00:04:36,941 And I feel like it's just like, know, racism is constantly our problem. 66 00:04:36,941 --> 00:04:39,183 And it's really white people's problem. 67 00:04:39,183 --> 00:04:44,637 So what I want to do is just say, OK, A, you're not crazy, A, you're not alone. 68 00:04:44,637 --> 00:04:48,139 But here are some things you should think about with regard to your career. 69 00:04:48,139 --> 00:04:49,578 And it's not just 70 00:04:49,578 --> 00:04:51,219 Oh, my white boss is fucking with me. 71 00:04:51,219 --> 00:04:58,846 Although I do have an article about white women fucking with you at work because I felt like how do you do my first issue is about discrimination. 72 00:04:58,846 --> 00:05:04,982 How do you talk to black women about their careers without talking about discrimination first? 73 00:05:04,982 --> 00:05:13,970 And I just wanted to get over with because I think it's disingenuous to say to us, you just need to have a plan or you need a mentor. 74 00:05:13,970 --> 00:05:15,861 You need to have an advocate. 75 00:05:15,861 --> 00:05:16,982 And it's like. 76 00:05:17,016 --> 00:05:21,739 Please, no one is gonna put their career on the line to fucking help me when this white bitch is fucking me. 77 00:05:21,739 --> 00:05:24,910 She don't even, can't even take, do nothing with this white woman. 78 00:05:24,910 --> 00:05:32,152 She couldn't even sit down and talk to me like, you know, the way you're treating Felicia, like we're all noticing it and you need to back that. 79 00:05:32,152 --> 00:05:33,005 Right. 80 00:05:33,173 --> 00:05:34,187 Yeah. 81 00:05:34,222 --> 00:05:34,962 not cute. 82 00:05:34,962 --> 00:05:37,002 No one's going to do that. 83 00:05:37,002 --> 00:05:38,802 They're going to you. 84 00:05:39,202 --> 00:05:45,722 So I wanted to have things like, you know, the next issue will not just be about discrimination. 85 00:05:45,722 --> 00:05:47,962 They'll be you had a plan for your retirement. 86 00:05:47,962 --> 00:05:50,082 Here are some questions you need to ask. 87 00:05:50,082 --> 00:05:53,762 You know how your career can be impacting your friendships. 88 00:05:53,762 --> 00:06:00,482 Like, you know, when you start making this much money or you're not and your other friends are making four hundred thousand dollars a year, you still make a 50. 89 00:06:00,482 --> 00:06:06,906 How does this work when they want to go to brunch and spin like ballers and I can't, know, the things that affect us. 90 00:06:06,906 --> 00:06:10,169 Do you need a 529 college savings plan or not? 91 00:06:10,169 --> 00:06:15,012 You know, lot of people don't know that you can take out a college savings plan and use it for yourself. 92 00:06:15,352 --> 00:06:15,693 Yeah. 93 00:06:15,693 --> 00:06:19,936 You know, there's so many things that I think we're missing. 94 00:06:19,936 --> 00:06:20,516 hmm. 95 00:06:20,516 --> 00:06:21,877 Travel with your boss. 96 00:06:21,877 --> 00:06:26,570 Please don't wear your Louis Vuitton luggage when you travel with your boss. 97 00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:29,496 If you're traveling, you might can do that. 98 00:06:29,496 --> 00:06:32,339 But if you're traveling with your team, here's how you should dress. 99 00:06:32,339 --> 00:06:37,493 If you're traveling with your boss, here's how you should So those will be the kinds of stories that we have. 100 00:06:37,634 --> 00:06:45,445 If you start to feel like you're being marginalized at work and you're not moving up, you're not moving down, what are some things you can do? 101 00:06:45,445 --> 00:06:49,385 I wanna have those kinds of conversations and resources. 102 00:06:49,385 --> 00:06:54,766 And I think the second part to that is, as a publicist, as I mentioned before, 103 00:06:54,766 --> 00:07:01,166 There aren't a lot of black women who get to, who are ever even called to be interviewed and they're experts. 104 00:07:01,166 --> 00:07:02,186 They're great in their field. 105 00:07:02,186 --> 00:07:03,686 They'll never be in a magazine. 106 00:07:03,686 --> 00:07:05,446 They'll never be in the wall street journal. 107 00:07:05,446 --> 00:07:06,626 They'll never be there. 108 00:07:06,626 --> 00:07:16,026 And if we don't make 30 under 30 or 40 under 40, the truth is by the time we really amass money and stash in our career, we are in our forties. 109 00:07:16,026 --> 00:07:19,486 So we miss out the white girls are VPs at 28. 110 00:07:19,486 --> 00:07:21,132 We're not. 111 00:07:21,132 --> 00:07:21,985 Yeah. 112 00:07:22,926 --> 00:07:30,106 really want this to grow to a place where, you know, I have like a 40 under 40, but it's not 40 under 40. 113 00:07:30,106 --> 00:07:39,026 I have to figure out, you know, the notable, I don't know, but where I'm celebrating black women who may be over 40 or under 40. 114 00:07:39,026 --> 00:07:44,246 You know, maybe there's these teenagers who have, you know, lemonade stands, whatever. 115 00:07:44,246 --> 00:07:47,896 I just wanted black women to feel like they had a space. 116 00:07:47,896 --> 00:07:51,059 where they feel celebrated for their accomplishments. 117 00:07:51,059 --> 00:07:59,255 Like I want to get to the point where, know, hey, if you do something amazing, I'd be like, hey, you know, spotlight of the day is Felicia. 118 00:07:59,255 --> 00:08:01,697 Like, look at the shit she's fucking doing, bitches. 119 00:08:01,697 --> 00:08:03,346 Like, it can be done. 120 00:08:03,346 --> 00:08:05,590 I want that for us. 121 00:08:05,590 --> 00:08:14,638 You know, I want, you know, to have the BET Awards for Notable where we're up there getting, hey, girl, that robot you made, amazing, amazing. 122 00:08:14,638 --> 00:08:17,624 You know, and I want to get there. 123 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:20,056 You know, and so that's really why I did it. 124 00:08:20,056 --> 00:08:28,629 I was just so tired of the same story regurgitated over and over and over again of how they were using us. 125 00:08:28,629 --> 00:08:35,500 And even when we get to be entrepreneurs, we have white clients, they get smart and, you know, do things that trigger. 126 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:40,846 Like I had a client trigger me, you know, where he asked for something and I was like, 127 00:08:40,846 --> 00:08:43,086 Well, you know, the deliverables are this. 128 00:08:43,086 --> 00:08:45,266 So what do you want me to take away to do that? 129 00:08:45,266 --> 00:08:47,046 He was like, you know, I want this by Monday. 130 00:08:47,046 --> 00:08:49,006 And I was just like, whoa, whoa. 131 00:08:49,046 --> 00:08:52,966 Like I just had this like, I don't work in corporate anymore. 132 00:08:52,966 --> 00:08:55,406 I shouldn't be feeling like this. 133 00:08:55,726 --> 00:09:01,506 And so I think that, you know, even when we're on our own, we still have to deal with things. 134 00:09:01,506 --> 00:09:08,046 So I did it because I think notable, the name, like I think who we are is notable. 135 00:09:08,046 --> 00:09:19,406 all the achievements and accomplishments and amazing things we've given to industries is notable and there's nobody celebrating this. 136 00:09:19,406 --> 00:09:21,366 Watch this on LinkedIn. 137 00:09:21,366 --> 00:09:23,266 Hey, look at where I went. 138 00:09:23,266 --> 00:09:25,326 I mean, I went, oh my God. 139 00:09:25,326 --> 00:09:28,006 And I mean, I have to put my stuff on LinkedIn for the magazine. 140 00:09:28,006 --> 00:09:33,746 But if you want to piss me off, have me reading through LinkedIn, I'd be like, please. 141 00:09:33,746 --> 00:09:35,546 I hate it for us. 142 00:09:35,594 --> 00:09:36,493 Yeah. 143 00:09:36,652 --> 00:09:46,148 The other part of it is, and I think we touched on it a little bit, like the seat at the table, they keep telling us that we need and we have all these people seated at a table 144 00:09:46,148 --> 00:09:48,449 and we're still getting beat up in these jobs. 145 00:09:48,449 --> 00:09:52,732 I had a black woman reporting to the CEO at Target. 146 00:09:52,732 --> 00:09:55,534 I'm getting beat up for helping her do something. 147 00:09:55,534 --> 00:09:59,035 Like I'm getting beat up and she's there. 148 00:09:59,716 --> 00:10:02,894 When I was at Invesco, there was a black man who I 149 00:10:02,894 --> 00:10:05,475 thought I was cool with reported to the CEO. 150 00:10:05,475 --> 00:10:09,797 I was scared to even go to him when this stuff happened because I couldn't trust it. 151 00:10:10,857 --> 00:10:13,058 And everyone would say, he don't care about black people. 152 00:10:13,058 --> 00:10:14,269 He just cares about himself. 153 00:10:14,269 --> 00:10:17,774 know, even though I thought we had this, I was afraid. 154 00:10:17,774 --> 00:10:21,742 I need to keep this job until I can't keep this job, right? 155 00:10:21,782 --> 00:10:24,803 So what does this seat at the table even mean? 156 00:10:25,824 --> 00:10:31,308 Because these DEI people or these people who are in these high places oftentimes 157 00:10:31,308 --> 00:10:39,780 When you look at their team, their own team, not the company, their team, their team, black women still aren't paid correctly. 158 00:10:39,940 --> 00:10:42,401 They don't have the right titles. 159 00:10:42,401 --> 00:10:48,273 You know, if you can't make changes on your team, then how does the rest of the company expect you to do anything? 160 00:10:48,273 --> 00:10:54,745 And for me, the only thing you need to do is make sure I'm paid commiserate with my fucking skill set. 161 00:10:54,745 --> 00:10:56,285 Like if in D.C. 162 00:10:56,285 --> 00:10:59,406 they says we make 45 cents on the dollar. 163 00:10:59,426 --> 00:11:00,286 Why? 164 00:11:00,651 --> 00:11:02,254 Yeah, that's crazy. 165 00:11:02,254 --> 00:11:06,025 So if as a DEI person, like I read all these, here's what we're doing. 166 00:11:06,025 --> 00:11:11,788 If I don't see pay equity in there and here's what I did starting with my team, I don't want hear it. 167 00:11:11,788 --> 00:11:15,209 So it's not that kind of magazine. 168 00:11:15,209 --> 00:11:18,000 Like I'm not about to be like, oh, amazing. 169 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,071 I'm not going to shit on black women either. 170 00:11:20,071 --> 00:11:21,421 I'm just no gotcha. 171 00:11:21,421 --> 00:11:22,982 It's not going to be, 172 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:25,798 I'm gonna, know, ooh, you think you're doing this in here. 173 00:11:25,798 --> 00:11:26,498 I'm not doing that. 174 00:11:26,498 --> 00:11:29,338 If you're on there is because I want to hear what you have to say. 175 00:11:29,338 --> 00:11:32,382 I think you're, you know, I have something or I want to celebrate you. 176 00:11:32,382 --> 00:11:34,103 Like I'm not even going to bring people on there. 177 00:11:34,103 --> 00:11:35,694 I know I'm full of shit. 178 00:11:35,874 --> 00:11:40,177 If I accidentally have someone who's full of shit on there, my apologies in advance. 179 00:11:40,177 --> 00:11:41,338 did not know. 180 00:11:41,466 --> 00:11:46,693 Because there's some people out there and on the surface you're like, my God, they're amazing. 181 00:11:46,693 --> 00:11:55,092 And then you start hearing the things and you start learning the things and you're like, oh, they're just good at personal branding. 182 00:11:55,214 --> 00:11:56,234 Yeah. 183 00:11:56,234 --> 00:12:02,114 You know, my mom said to me, you know, are you worried that your magazine is just you writing everything? 184 00:12:02,114 --> 00:12:03,634 Like it just says buy Rasmus. 185 00:12:03,634 --> 00:12:06,794 I said, what you want me to do by the editors or something? 186 00:12:06,794 --> 00:12:08,794 You know, what you want me to change it to? 187 00:12:08,794 --> 00:12:11,574 She said, well, you think that that, you know, makes it less credible. 188 00:12:11,574 --> 00:12:13,254 I said, it be just like a better podcast. 189 00:12:13,254 --> 00:12:14,734 And I had people on. 190 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:18,994 said, I'm interviewing experts is not my opinion because some of the things I don't agree with. 191 00:12:18,994 --> 00:12:20,234 But I don't know. 192 00:12:20,234 --> 00:12:22,994 Is there stuff I don't think that I would think that way? 193 00:12:23,086 --> 00:12:24,307 don't have their background. 194 00:12:24,307 --> 00:12:29,320 So there's a lot of stuff I'm writing about that I don't necessarily think is, you know, how I would look at it. 195 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,171 But I am free. 196 00:12:32,292 --> 00:12:35,163 And I can say things that other people can't. 197 00:12:35,163 --> 00:12:36,855 I can name names. 198 00:12:36,855 --> 00:12:40,597 can say, Ontario was my boss at Invesco. 199 00:12:40,597 --> 00:12:46,360 She was racist and she dogged me and I won a million dollars because of her racism. 200 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,741 Yes, I can say that. 201 00:12:49,038 --> 00:12:51,268 Those are the facts, I read it. 202 00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:56,532 You know, when the judge gave his order, he said, I was a rainmaker. 203 00:12:57,373 --> 00:12:59,194 He said she was a rainmaker. 204 00:12:59,194 --> 00:13:02,676 She came in there and did things other people couldn't do. 205 00:13:02,676 --> 00:13:05,758 You can't make this up. 206 00:13:05,758 --> 00:13:07,579 I can say those things. 207 00:13:07,579 --> 00:13:08,444 Other people can't. 208 00:13:08,444 --> 00:13:15,023 And even the women that I interview, when they tell me for their magazine, they tell me their stories, they say, please redact that company name. 209 00:13:15,023 --> 00:13:20,296 Even though they haven't sued them, they don't have a contract because we're still afraid. 210 00:13:20,296 --> 00:13:22,992 afraid and that's one thing I want to get away from. 211 00:13:22,992 --> 00:13:26,350 I I'm kind of gagged right now. 212 00:13:26,350 --> 00:13:29,792 where they're making non-disclosure agreements where they're voided. 213 00:13:29,792 --> 00:13:31,606 Yeah, that's going to be great. 214 00:13:31,606 --> 00:13:35,554 You know, when you're in the midst of potential litigation. 215 00:13:35,830 --> 00:13:37,771 In civil litigation, should say nothing. 216 00:13:37,771 --> 00:13:40,152 I deleted social media. 217 00:13:40,152 --> 00:13:41,553 I did not talk. 218 00:13:41,553 --> 00:13:45,024 People thought I had disappeared and I didn't give two fucks about it. 219 00:13:45,024 --> 00:13:56,740 People who needed to know where I was knew who I was, but there is no way I was going to risk some white juror going through my social media and me being like, women are staying 220 00:13:56,740 --> 00:13:58,860 on black women's groups. 221 00:13:58,961 --> 00:14:02,182 You know, like I didn't want none of that because I uh 222 00:14:02,296 --> 00:14:03,912 hear the story and be, that's it. 223 00:14:03,912 --> 00:14:07,264 You know, they couldn't come in and find me on nothing. 224 00:14:13,154 --> 00:14:15,876 me, they know I do the podcast. 225 00:14:15,876 --> 00:14:17,827 They've been known I do the podcast. 226 00:14:17,827 --> 00:14:23,580 And in fact, they said that the reason why they let me go is because I do the podcast. 227 00:14:24,741 --> 00:14:27,302 And they were like, and she should be happier. 228 00:14:29,518 --> 00:14:31,079 I like my job. 229 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:36,342 My last performance review was the highest rating you can get in the company on a performance review. 230 00:14:36,383 --> 00:14:41,066 So it doesn't make sense for you to say that. 231 00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:43,147 And then you listen to my podcast. 232 00:14:43,147 --> 00:14:44,893 So like, know they listen to my podcast. 233 00:14:44,893 --> 00:14:47,880 They've told my attorney, they listen to my podcast. 234 00:14:47,896 --> 00:15:00,493 think it makes sense because how dare you follow your dreams and do something outside of this mundane nine to five when I don't have the guts to follow my dreams and I don't have 235 00:15:00,493 --> 00:15:01,974 the time to do that. 236 00:15:01,974 --> 00:15:13,706 I think it's always goes back to putting you in your place and take your ability to support yourself and teaching you a lesson. 237 00:15:13,706 --> 00:15:16,582 And I think that 238 00:15:17,484 --> 00:15:20,026 That's why I say it's such an abusive relationship. 239 00:15:20,026 --> 00:15:21,697 It's like an abusive boyfriend. 240 00:15:21,697 --> 00:15:24,018 It's like, you know, I can leave him. 241 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:29,863 You know, you almost got to make him quit me so I make sure you don't stop me afterwards. 242 00:15:29,863 --> 00:15:30,263 Right. 243 00:15:30,263 --> 00:15:34,226 I mean, you know, tete a tete that you have to do. 244 00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:37,634 Nobody is going to help you have a perfect life, Alisha. 245 00:15:37,634 --> 00:15:39,454 That's something my mom taught me. 246 00:15:39,454 --> 00:15:45,694 So if what you need to have a perfect life is this creative outlet, they're going to make that hard for you to do. 247 00:15:45,694 --> 00:15:47,054 You have everything but a man. 248 00:15:47,054 --> 00:15:48,694 No one's going to introduce you to a man. 249 00:15:48,694 --> 00:15:52,734 If you have everything but a job, ain't nobody going to tell you about no openings. 250 00:15:53,114 --> 00:16:03,054 Whatever they think you need that makes you have in their eyes a perfect life, they're going to make it hard for you or make it so they have no help in getting that. 251 00:16:08,482 --> 00:16:16,985 thing is, I don't make money from doing this currently because I am a marketing executive. 252 00:16:16,985 --> 00:16:18,625 That was my chosen career path. 253 00:16:18,625 --> 00:16:22,256 I have a whole MBA from Indiana University, Kelley School of Business. 254 00:16:22,256 --> 00:16:25,147 I had a whole fellowship to go to school. 255 00:16:25,767 --> 00:16:30,389 At the time, it was the second ranked marketing program in the country. 256 00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:33,379 I do this because of all the things that I've... 257 00:16:33,379 --> 00:16:35,810 The same reason why you started... 258 00:16:36,308 --> 00:16:48,967 Notable Career Magazine is the same reason why I started this show because I was hitting my head up against walls just in situations where I'm like that that really just happened 259 00:16:48,967 --> 00:17:03,236 and like I can't be the only one and I was also learning ways to try to get around it and try to maneuver better and I wanted to share what I was learning and I wanted to give 260 00:17:03,236 --> 00:17:05,077 people hope that 261 00:17:05,122 --> 00:17:12,469 Hey, we can go through all this shit and then on the other side, there's another side and you will be okay. 262 00:17:12,469 --> 00:17:23,422 And as I found that every situation I had gone through and I'm getting emotional because it's hard to lose your job and you being a single parent, you get it. 263 00:17:23,498 --> 00:17:26,581 You have to provide for your child, right? 264 00:17:26,581 --> 00:17:29,303 And for me, I don't have parents. 265 00:17:29,343 --> 00:17:31,545 My mom and my grandma, they're gone. 266 00:17:31,545 --> 00:17:32,886 I have to... 267 00:17:33,162 --> 00:17:34,892 make sure shit gets done. 268 00:17:34,892 --> 00:17:47,854 And then for you to take away the way that I pay my bills because of some pretextual reason around, oh, we thought you'd be happier. 269 00:17:48,014 --> 00:17:49,760 You see, you know that that's not it. 270 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,825 That's right. 271 00:17:50,825 --> 00:17:51,950 I know that's not it. 272 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:54,964 I mean, I was the only black person left. 273 00:17:55,128 --> 00:18:00,540 think that what happens to us should actually be criminal. 274 00:18:02,741 --> 00:18:03,932 Yeah, I think it is. 275 00:18:03,932 --> 00:18:21,969 And I think to manufacture problems that render someone financially unstable or in financial ruin or, you know, feeling financially insecure should be a crime. 276 00:18:21,969 --> 00:18:23,458 I mean, I think that 277 00:18:23,458 --> 00:18:32,063 What happens is to it really stops us from the ability to really grow in our career and see ourselves, right? 278 00:18:32,063 --> 00:18:34,765 Because every turn you're scared to do this. 279 00:18:34,765 --> 00:18:40,388 If you say this, you did it, but you just you can't even be yourself. 280 00:18:40,448 --> 00:18:51,294 And I think to some degree it does make sense because we are always trying to appeal to this humanity that doesn't exist in them. 281 00:18:51,342 --> 00:18:52,025 Yeah. 282 00:18:52,462 --> 00:19:00,362 And when you look at these corporations, they all went away from ethnic diversity to gender diversity. 283 00:19:00,362 --> 00:19:02,282 And you know, that's not us. 284 00:19:02,282 --> 00:19:05,002 They want us there for these numbers. 285 00:19:05,002 --> 00:19:06,142 They chew us up. 286 00:19:06,142 --> 00:19:08,122 They spit us out and they're done with you. 287 00:19:08,122 --> 00:19:10,302 They just don't give a fuck. 288 00:19:10,302 --> 00:19:14,442 And I think what happened to me was I was sad. 289 00:19:14,442 --> 00:19:15,662 I was hurt. 290 00:19:15,662 --> 00:19:18,402 was like, fuck the, what am I going to do? 291 00:19:18,402 --> 00:19:21,250 Like when I, you know, lost my job, 292 00:19:21,250 --> 00:19:32,239 They were so dirty that Invesco's policy was when you got fired, had till that ended that month to have your benefits. 293 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,222 So they fired me on the last day of the month. 294 00:19:35,222 --> 00:19:37,604 So my benefits ended that day. 295 00:19:38,865 --> 00:19:44,398 I they did like super dog shit where I was like. 296 00:19:44,398 --> 00:19:51,558 You know, people were like, well, if you sue other companies and look, you know, I said, well, if a company looks me up and sees that I stood up for myself and they don't want me, 297 00:19:51,558 --> 00:19:53,038 I don't want them either. 298 00:19:53,198 --> 00:19:59,218 And I hate that you're going through this and you don't have your parents there and you don't like, mean, I'll be here for you. 299 00:19:59,218 --> 00:20:01,578 However you need me. 300 00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:07,938 You know, an EEO investigator and an HR person, I mean, if you need it, we got it. 301 00:20:07,938 --> 00:20:12,014 But I did have parents who said to me. 302 00:20:12,014 --> 00:20:17,854 we would rather sell everything and have you go to court than for you to buy out of this. 303 00:20:17,854 --> 00:20:26,294 And the day before I went to court, my attorneys pulled, I'm thinking we're having a strategy meeting and like how things can go to Mara, blah, blah, And there was this thing 304 00:20:26,294 --> 00:20:35,494 called a rule 69 and the rule 69 Invesco put on me was basically we're going to offer you $800,000. 305 00:20:35,494 --> 00:20:39,534 You take it, you sign this thing and we give it to you. 306 00:20:39,534 --> 00:20:41,198 If you don't, 307 00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:50,878 and you go to court, even if you win, say you win, but you only win $600,000, you owe them $200,000 plus all their court fees. 308 00:20:51,478 --> 00:20:55,790 If you lose, you owe them $800,000 plus their court fee. 309 00:20:55,790 --> 00:20:58,530 do you understand how that's a thing? 310 00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:01,865 Basically, it's to not clog up the courts, right? 311 00:21:01,865 --> 00:21:07,181 Because if the judge sees this was a good offer. 312 00:21:08,908 --> 00:21:11,120 He's going to say you wasted the court's time. 313 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:19,037 You should have taken it and they penalize you because it's hopefully stops people from just, you know, whatever. 314 00:21:19,037 --> 00:21:21,648 And I'm like, what? 315 00:21:21,689 --> 00:21:25,672 We talked to other people and they said this is a good deal. 316 00:21:25,672 --> 00:21:27,373 And I said, were they black? 317 00:21:27,694 --> 00:21:32,998 They said, no, I said, I don't give a fuck what any white people you talk to said about this. 318 00:21:32,998 --> 00:21:34,059 I don't give a fuck. 319 00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:35,010 We are going to court. 320 00:21:35,010 --> 00:21:37,822 got to get yourself fucking ready for tomorrow. 321 00:21:38,136 --> 00:21:43,270 And my mom's sitting there with me and she's like, you know, you know, black mom. 322 00:21:43,711 --> 00:21:47,213 And they were stunned. 323 00:21:47,854 --> 00:21:52,117 And I called my dad and I was like, let me tell you what these motherfuckers did. 324 00:21:52,258 --> 00:21:55,143 And my dad said, well, do you need new lawyers? 325 00:21:55,143 --> 00:21:56,962 And we just said, no, they're going to get it done. 326 00:21:56,962 --> 00:22:01,195 That's when he said, I will sell my home, all my car. 327 00:22:01,195 --> 00:22:05,168 If you lose and you owe them, we'll just own for life together. 328 00:22:05,849 --> 00:22:07,738 He said, but you're going to. 329 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,713 He said, "'Cause fuck them." And that was my family's thing. 330 00:22:11,713 --> 00:22:17,457 Like, no, they need to sit on this motherfucking stand and feel bad like you felt bad. 331 00:22:17,457 --> 00:22:26,984 I want you to be at home, you know, with a bloated stomach and, you know, palp interpretations, because you're gonna be on this stand figuring shit out. 332 00:22:26,984 --> 00:22:29,440 I want you to have to look at me while you're lying. 333 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,581 and see what you did. 334 00:22:30,581 --> 00:22:37,135 I want you to see the jury's reaction because my boss wouldn't let me pick my son up from school when I got back from FMLA, which I always did. 335 00:22:37,135 --> 00:22:39,817 And I still worked in the evening. 336 00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:41,588 And I remember the jury's face. 337 00:22:41,588 --> 00:22:44,670 They said, well, why would you stop her from picking her son up from school? 338 00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:48,102 Because my son said, I'm not playing basketball anymore because I can't get a ride home. 339 00:22:48,102 --> 00:22:51,303 Like, it really affected my whole life. 340 00:22:51,644 --> 00:22:53,925 And she said because she didn't deserve that. 341 00:22:53,925 --> 00:22:55,366 oh 342 00:22:58,102 --> 00:23:03,504 And the women, even the white men, I had all white people in my jury, one black woman. 343 00:23:03,885 --> 00:23:09,907 And she went to the same hair shop as the black attorney they hired to pretend like they're diverse. 344 00:23:09,907 --> 00:23:18,211 So I was really like Republican black judge who went to the girls' hair shop. 345 00:23:18,671 --> 00:23:20,052 It was a lot. 346 00:23:21,713 --> 00:23:24,694 Their faces were like, no, that's crazy. 347 00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:26,075 They did such things. 348 00:23:26,075 --> 00:23:29,258 And I think that's where I want black women to get to. 349 00:23:29,258 --> 00:23:31,739 They don't give a fuck about you. 350 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,621 They don't care about your kids. 351 00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:35,778 They don't care about the parents you're taking care of. 352 00:23:35,778 --> 00:23:39,046 They don't care about the fact that you don't have parents and you're grieving. 353 00:23:39,046 --> 00:23:43,549 You can't even take off work when people die the right way. 354 00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:44,550 They don't care. 355 00:23:44,550 --> 00:23:54,454 And so we've got to get to this point where we look at litigation, even though I know we're not always protected under the law, but they count on you not suing. 356 00:23:54,454 --> 00:23:55,275 Yeah, they do. 357 00:23:55,275 --> 00:24:02,680 And that's one thing attorney and Nita is really working to bring together tools as well. 358 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:15,288 And I've been working with her to get us all to a place where litigation is no longer a barrier because we are going to have to fight this in the courts. 359 00:24:15,288 --> 00:24:19,961 We're going to have to because these companies won't change. 360 00:24:19,961 --> 00:24:21,162 They don't understand change. 361 00:24:21,162 --> 00:24:24,014 And I think what's most egregious is the whole 362 00:24:24,022 --> 00:24:33,219 If you settle, they put in there a clause that usually says something to the effect of there was no wrongdoing found on the part of the company. 363 00:24:33,219 --> 00:24:35,242 And you agree to that. 364 00:24:35,436 --> 00:24:38,761 if you settle in choir in court, but you can negotiate that. 365 00:24:38,761 --> 00:24:40,950 And that's what people don't also know. 366 00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:42,862 We need to start doing that. 367 00:24:42,862 --> 00:24:44,342 you have a voice in this too. 368 00:24:44,342 --> 00:24:51,042 And I think what we do is we go into these situations and we let them happen to us. 369 00:24:51,042 --> 00:25:01,602 And I think that, you know, when I got fired from Target and I started working at US bank and it's in the same building, my actual office was actually in the US bank building when 370 00:25:01,602 --> 00:25:02,462 I worked in Target. 371 00:25:02,462 --> 00:25:09,806 So I'm in there having lunch and I remember seeing the director, the white guy, we were in a restaurant and I, 372 00:25:09,806 --> 00:25:13,506 I don't know, like I felt like I saw him, but I wasn't sure and I didn't care. 373 00:25:13,566 --> 00:25:18,126 And I felt like he was looking at me and he wanted me to, so he could. 374 00:25:18,126 --> 00:25:22,006 And I thought to myself, motherfucker, you are not my boss anymore. 375 00:25:22,566 --> 00:25:30,566 You not want me to make eye contact, because I'm going to go all the way off in this motherfucking salad shop and I'm going to look crazy, but I'm going to feel better. 376 00:25:30,566 --> 00:25:32,766 So don't even, you know, I didn't know if it was him. 377 00:25:32,766 --> 00:25:38,030 I felt like it was him, you know, and I felt like I was this to see if it was me. 378 00:25:38,030 --> 00:25:41,270 And I'm looking and he's looking, you know, I'm looking at the thing. 379 00:25:41,270 --> 00:25:43,610 I think that Caesar salad with chicken looks real good. 380 00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:45,450 And I could feel, you know, I'm an ignorer. 381 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:47,870 can ignore, but I could feel it. 382 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:50,590 And I felt like I don't work there anymore. 383 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:53,710 And I had to keep telling myself that I don't work there anymore. 384 00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:54,310 Fuck you. 385 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:55,510 I don't work there anymore. 386 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:59,230 And I think we still feel, oh, they didn't like me. 387 00:25:59,230 --> 00:26:00,910 Oh, they rejected me. 388 00:26:00,910 --> 00:26:03,130 Oh, you know, it happened to me. 389 00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:04,090 Yes, it did. 390 00:26:04,090 --> 00:26:07,830 But now you have leverage and control, too. 391 00:26:08,108 --> 00:26:10,682 They don't want you talking about this shit. 392 00:26:10,682 --> 00:26:11,703 I went to court. 393 00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:14,086 can say whatever the fuck I want. 394 00:26:14,848 --> 00:26:16,672 I didn't sign shit. 395 00:26:16,672 --> 00:26:17,686 It's public. 396 00:26:17,686 --> 00:26:20,013 I pulled it up and read it myself. 397 00:26:20,206 --> 00:26:22,968 Google it and have it. 398 00:26:23,028 --> 00:26:29,253 But I'm telling you, like there were even things with my attorney, you know, was why he didn't understand everything. 399 00:26:29,253 --> 00:26:34,186 Like I'd be like, like even when I said the guy was like, we wanted to make sure people were comfortable with her. 400 00:26:34,186 --> 00:26:37,409 And I was like, back over. 401 00:26:37,409 --> 00:26:39,921 And he was like, you know, I don't want to confuse the jury. 402 00:26:39,921 --> 00:26:43,102 And I'm like, Jesus, mother fucking Christ. 403 00:26:43,123 --> 00:26:45,285 You know, that was even a battle. 404 00:26:45,285 --> 00:26:47,746 If I hadn't had my mom there. 405 00:26:47,852 --> 00:26:49,573 My godmother, they went every day. 406 00:26:49,573 --> 00:26:50,883 My trial was over a week. 407 00:26:50,883 --> 00:26:52,304 I mean, it wasn't like a day. 408 00:26:52,304 --> 00:26:55,565 was a fucking shit show of shit. 409 00:26:55,565 --> 00:26:59,767 And if I hadn't had my mom in there, like, uh-uh, no. 410 00:26:59,767 --> 00:27:03,848 And a lot of things that we got is because I didn't have employment lawyers. 411 00:27:03,848 --> 00:27:05,669 I got litigators. 412 00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:13,553 I feel like me and my mom, my godmother, my dad, like between us, we're going to get the HR stuff. 413 00:27:13,553 --> 00:27:14,983 We got all the stuff. 414 00:27:14,983 --> 00:27:15,953 We can organize. 415 00:27:15,953 --> 00:27:17,414 Like, we got that. 416 00:27:18,018 --> 00:27:20,429 You need someone who's not afraid to go to court. 417 00:27:20,429 --> 00:27:24,712 If your attorney don't have no money and you ain't got no money, you can't afford it. 418 00:27:24,712 --> 00:27:30,465 You have to have a big enough attorney's office that can afford to go to court. 419 00:27:30,465 --> 00:27:35,568 That's 60,000, sometimes $100,000 in fees to go into court. 420 00:27:35,568 --> 00:27:38,720 I mean, I had to pay court fees. 421 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,311 I had to pay Xerox. 422 00:27:40,311 --> 00:27:43,052 I'm looking at the thing like Xeroxing. 423 00:27:43,413 --> 00:27:45,564 You have to pay all that back. 424 00:27:45,646 --> 00:27:49,046 because they did it on a contingency. 425 00:27:49,046 --> 00:27:50,022 You got to. 426 00:27:50,196 --> 00:27:52,235 you did on contingency. 427 00:27:58,190 --> 00:28:04,290 You know, it out of my settlement. 428 00:28:04,290 --> 00:28:05,050 ended up having it. 429 00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:07,494 But if I didn't win, I didn't have to pay it. 430 00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:28,841 dream of mine is to have a nonprofit foundation that solely focus on helping Black women in litigation situations, like, and have a group of lawyers determine, like, which cases 431 00:28:28,841 --> 00:28:30,422 that we would fund. 432 00:28:30,543 --> 00:28:41,592 Not necessarily that we would get anything back, whether they win or lose, but just the practice of fighting, the exercise of fighting and not being afraid to fight because 433 00:28:41,592 --> 00:28:44,874 there's a lot of fear around fighting. 434 00:28:45,004 --> 00:28:50,918 think to our defense, it's the fear, also by the time we leave here, we're so beat up. 435 00:28:50,956 --> 00:28:52,495 Yeah, that's true. 436 00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:55,820 the mental, sometimes the physical capacity. 437 00:28:55,820 --> 00:29:00,090 So I try to be very soft with them. 438 00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:01,194 You can't fight. 439 00:29:01,194 --> 00:29:02,355 They just can't do it. 440 00:29:02,355 --> 00:29:06,087 And I understand it because there were times where I wanted to give up too. 441 00:29:06,087 --> 00:29:08,299 You know, I just had parents who were like, girl, bye. 442 00:29:08,299 --> 00:29:13,152 Should we make you some spaghetti and a chocolate cake and keep going? 443 00:29:13,152 --> 00:29:17,655 You know, and I even, you know, the attorneys that I ended up with weren't my first attorneys. 444 00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:22,038 I had a white man and a black woman attorney when I started. 445 00:29:22,274 --> 00:29:26,396 And the black woman was so rude and disrespectful to me. 446 00:29:26,396 --> 00:29:28,737 Actually, the white guy was who was referred to me. 447 00:29:28,737 --> 00:29:33,960 He brings her in because he says he's a litigator, but she can help while I'm still working there. 448 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,711 And she was talking to me crazy. 449 00:29:36,711 --> 00:29:45,005 And she was like, this isn't like television court, like just real, just rah rah, just. 450 00:29:46,246 --> 00:29:46,818 Yeah. 451 00:29:46,818 --> 00:29:55,976 And she was so disrespectful that the guy who referred to the black attorney who referred me to the white guy who brought her in, I know that sounds confusing, but anyway, he was 452 00:29:55,976 --> 00:29:58,228 like, oh no, she shouldn't be talking to you like that. 453 00:29:58,228 --> 00:30:06,745 And I was like, first of all, if I thought this was Matlock, I would expect you to have on a zero sucker suit and oh like, who are you talking to? 454 00:30:06,745 --> 00:30:08,677 Like this isn't TV stuff, you know? 455 00:30:08,677 --> 00:30:10,128 And this is what I'm still working on. 456 00:30:10,128 --> 00:30:12,560 They're dogging me every day, like dogging me. 457 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,882 And she writes me. 458 00:30:15,054 --> 00:30:20,195 I don't think you have what it takes to go through with this and take it all the way. 459 00:30:20,195 --> 00:30:21,836 And I was like, what? 460 00:30:21,896 --> 00:30:23,616 How did you get that from this? 461 00:30:23,616 --> 00:30:25,237 Where are we going with this? 462 00:30:25,557 --> 00:30:32,719 And so we were supposed to have a meeting, said to the white attorney, uh we need to have a talk because who is she talking to? 463 00:30:32,719 --> 00:30:34,239 This is weird. 464 00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:36,000 And so we were supposed to have a talk. 465 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,257 And then I couldn't make it. 466 00:30:37,257 --> 00:30:39,411 So I was like, look, I'm going have to reschedule. 467 00:30:39,411 --> 00:30:40,371 I can't make it. 468 00:30:40,371 --> 00:30:41,712 And then they fired me. 469 00:30:41,712 --> 00:30:42,786 They were like. 470 00:30:42,786 --> 00:30:44,197 We no longer want to work with you. 471 00:30:44,197 --> 00:30:48,930 We don't think you're this and that we don't think it was Invesco. 472 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:52,152 We sent them a demand letter while still working there. 473 00:30:52,492 --> 00:30:56,204 That's what would not respond like they just wouldn't respond. 474 00:30:56,204 --> 00:31:02,018 So finally, they're like they kicked it all the way up to the attorney and Gary. 475 00:31:02,018 --> 00:31:03,699 She was crazy. 476 00:31:03,699 --> 00:31:03,939 Why? 477 00:31:03,939 --> 00:31:08,416 They kicked it up to her and they made a pact with her like they won't. 478 00:31:08,416 --> 00:31:12,259 send anything else to HR and they wouldn't, you know, do anything to me. 479 00:31:12,259 --> 00:31:15,891 Like it would be attorney to attorney because she was the attorney at Invesco. 480 00:31:15,891 --> 00:31:20,624 So once Anne finally responded, they were like, we have her ear. 481 00:31:20,624 --> 00:31:23,106 We should come back with another number. 482 00:31:23,106 --> 00:31:27,139 And I said, no, because you already started with a number and they didn't respond to it. 483 00:31:27,139 --> 00:31:31,942 If you give another number, you're just negotiating against yourself. 484 00:31:32,663 --> 00:31:34,814 Let them come back with another number. 485 00:31:34,814 --> 00:31:37,676 Then if we feel like I said, but you can't go back. 486 00:31:37,676 --> 00:31:46,300 with another you that's how you coming down from some they have me okay well we're asking for this they don't respond okay what about this they don't respond whatever you can't do 487 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:58,776 that that's not so so anyway I didn't make it they fire me they're like we no longer want to work with you blah blah and I'm like what so I ended up finding these other attorneys 488 00:31:58,776 --> 00:32:04,748 now while I'm going through litigation these two you know goofball attorneys 489 00:32:05,043 --> 00:32:12,884 writing letters to me and my new attorney saying whatever I get from Invesco, they are to get a portion of it. 490 00:32:13,462 --> 00:32:15,032 No, you fired me. 491 00:32:15,608 --> 00:32:17,579 And so my attorney's like, you fired her. 492 00:32:17,579 --> 00:32:18,489 Like, this is crazy. 493 00:32:18,489 --> 00:32:21,960 He's like, well, we'll just let, know, they, and they're like demanding money. 494 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,461 We're going to sue you. 495 00:32:23,461 --> 00:32:25,141 Like, this is a black woman. 496 00:32:25,141 --> 00:32:26,112 I'm going to sue you. 497 00:32:26,112 --> 00:32:28,192 Then they stopped emailing together. 498 00:32:28,192 --> 00:32:30,503 Now she's like, he's like, forget her. 499 00:32:30,503 --> 00:32:31,984 Just give me my money. 500 00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:34,865 And like, it's just, we're like, we're not giving you anything. 501 00:32:34,865 --> 00:32:39,706 So even after I won, I don't know if they knew if I won or not. 502 00:32:39,790 --> 00:32:44,510 But they sent me a demand letter like, need to give us some money or whatever. 503 00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:46,410 And I was like, I'm never giving you anything. 504 00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:48,770 So I had to report them to like the board. 505 00:32:48,770 --> 00:32:50,230 I don't even know what happened. 506 00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:55,070 If it went through or not, because I ended up moving, you know, whatever. 507 00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:58,610 But they were threatening me the whole and they fired me. 508 00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:00,510 And I have the email, you know, I have everything. 509 00:33:00,510 --> 00:33:01,050 Right. 510 00:33:01,050 --> 00:33:02,850 We don't do any more. 511 00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:03,430 You did it. 512 00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:05,150 And I'm like, what? 513 00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:10,086 And then still, after I won, they were demanding money from me. 514 00:33:10,286 --> 00:33:17,406 and my attorneys and I had a huge law firm in New York, like they weren't the type of attorneys you were going to be honking. 515 00:33:17,826 --> 00:33:19,806 And that's really what happened. 516 00:33:19,806 --> 00:33:32,746 mean, so be careful with the attorney because A, they were trying to make me settle because they wanted that quick money and they were so rude to me. 517 00:33:32,746 --> 00:33:37,326 Like, I mean, I'm paid every day and now I have this black woman. 518 00:33:39,543 --> 00:33:41,787 I don't understand skin folk. 519 00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:43,610 I'll never understand skin folk. 520 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:45,873 That it'll never make sense to me. 521 00:33:53,848 --> 00:33:58,341 Raslyn, before we go, tell us how do we connect with you? 522 00:33:58,341 --> 00:33:59,711 How do we support you? 523 00:33:59,711 --> 00:34:05,344 Definitely want to amplify Notable Career Magazine. 524 00:34:05,344 --> 00:34:06,921 You have some really great articles. 525 00:34:06,921 --> 00:34:08,066 I think they're dope. 526 00:34:08,066 --> 00:34:11,388 Shout out to Maren for connecting us. 527 00:34:11,388 --> 00:34:23,054 Yes, so what are the things you need us to do to support and then any resources that we can send your way as you build to pour into us? 528 00:34:23,276 --> 00:34:30,610 The email address for me is info at notablecareersmag.com. 529 00:34:30,830 --> 00:34:36,323 And that's to share like, hey, I have an idea or like, here's what I'd like to know about. 530 00:34:36,323 --> 00:34:38,314 Can you do an article on this? 531 00:34:38,314 --> 00:34:41,435 Or I'm a subject matter expert in this. 532 00:34:41,536 --> 00:34:46,037 And I love to share, you know, whatever. 533 00:34:47,246 --> 00:34:50,128 and I've gotten a lot of women who are like, hey, how do I help? 534 00:34:50,128 --> 00:34:54,930 do I, you know, and I'm like, girl, info at notablecareersmag.com. 535 00:34:54,930 --> 00:35:00,853 But the magazine itself is www.notablecareersmag.com. 536 00:35:01,254 --> 00:35:11,789 And I started it so I could be helpful and provide resources for black women who are just trying to figure out their careers, but also to give black women who are subject matter 537 00:35:11,789 --> 00:35:17,174 experts the opportunity to be interviewed and talk about what they know and what they've experienced. 538 00:35:17,174 --> 00:35:21,175 and all the things that they have to share that often get overlooked. 539 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:34,619 And so I called it notable because I think what we do and what we contribute to industries and companies and careers is notable and it deserves to be celebrated. 540 00:35:34,659 --> 00:35:36,310 And also it's a double meaning. 541 00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:45,100 It's no table because I think black women are tired of this table we keep being told about and 542 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:54,945 We know that having a seat at the table, the people who are there aren't even able to advocate for themselves, let alone advocate for the rest of us. 543 00:35:54,945 --> 00:35:56,746 So it just doesn't make any sense. 544 00:35:56,746 --> 00:36:01,129 So our notion at Notable is we want to knock that motherfucker over. 545 00:36:01,129 --> 00:36:02,560 So there's no table. 546 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,922 And so there's an equitable workplace for everyone. 547 00:36:06,922 --> 00:36:11,304 you know, while I say everyone, I'm really more concerned about black women. 548 00:36:11,304 --> 00:36:15,016 I think if we have an equitable workplace, everybody else has one. 549 00:36:15,314 --> 00:36:17,887 So I'm not into people of color. 550 00:36:17,887 --> 00:36:19,067 It's not a woman of color. 551 00:36:19,067 --> 00:36:20,720 is for black women. 552 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:30,670 That's the end of it I don't care what anybody thinks about it You know, I tell them you don't if you can't like the article because your boss might see it fine I'm okay with 553 00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:31,031 that. 554 00:36:31,031 --> 00:36:38,368 Just send me a little note and tell me you enjoyed it or something like that, you know Yeah, cuz I get it, you know 555 00:36:38,392 --> 00:36:47,910 did too, and that's why, I mean, I struggle because I call this the Trill MBA Show, but I also understand I still work in corporate, my audience is still in corporate and 556 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:52,133 workplaces, and so we are trying to survive. 557 00:36:52,234 --> 00:37:02,582 And unfortunately right now, what survival means is pretending not being able to be free in our own being and spirit a lot of times. 558 00:37:02,712 --> 00:37:06,726 think though, you know, one thing I learned, I learned a lot of things. 559 00:37:06,726 --> 00:37:10,409 I learned, like I said, they don't treat you better when you don't advocate for yourself. 560 00:37:10,409 --> 00:37:15,994 They don't treat you better if your nails are taupe versus gold with diamonds on it. 561 00:37:15,994 --> 00:37:19,878 They're not nicer to you when you're here straight or versus when it's natural. 562 00:37:19,878 --> 00:37:21,930 You're going to get it at some point. 563 00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:25,062 If you're doing anything dynamic, you're going to get it. 564 00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:34,613 And I think if you go into your jobs with that understanding, then you're just not going to be as bothered until it's time to really be bothered. 565 00:37:34,754 --> 00:37:36,865 I think you have to advocate for yourself. 566 00:37:36,865 --> 00:37:40,962 We're just too grown to be letting them do us this way. 567 00:37:40,962 --> 00:37:43,519 Yeah, we've got to fight back. 568 00:37:43,606 --> 00:37:45,777 I've got to be like, excuse me, who are you talking to? 569 00:37:45,777 --> 00:37:46,958 Why would you say that to me? 570 00:37:46,958 --> 00:37:48,048 What does that mean? 571 00:37:48,048 --> 00:37:55,372 You know, we let so much go and by the time we, you know, say our piece, you know, they have a different culture. 572 00:37:55,372 --> 00:37:58,704 Their culture is, you know, you weren't taking responsibility. 573 00:37:58,704 --> 00:38:00,635 Why didn't you say anything before? 574 00:38:00,635 --> 00:38:05,447 Like even in my court case, they're like, why didn't you say that it was racial discrimination in the beginning? 575 00:38:05,447 --> 00:38:07,188 Because I didn't want to get fired, bitch. 576 00:38:07,188 --> 00:38:08,975 Because that's what happens. 577 00:38:09,134 --> 00:38:13,236 By the time I said it, I meant it and I didn't give a fuck what was going to happen after that. 578 00:38:13,236 --> 00:38:16,154 I just was like, what are they going to do, kill me? 579 00:38:16,154 --> 00:38:20,398 I mean, I'm going to be dead if I keep letting them stress me out like this. 580 00:38:20,398 --> 00:38:29,410 I was not sleeping, my cortisol was off the charts, my cortisol levels, I was gaining weight, then I was losing weight. 581 00:38:29,410 --> 00:38:33,682 You know, like my son was like, mom, like he was worried about me. 582 00:38:33,682 --> 00:38:38,623 And even through the court case, like he was texting me, I love you, mom, you got this, you know? 583 00:38:38,623 --> 00:38:41,915 And I think I was just so in it and scared. 584 00:38:41,915 --> 00:38:49,317 I was going to lose everything that I tried to be a good mom at that time, but I don't know if I was successful in that. 585 00:38:49,317 --> 00:38:50,929 did the best that I could. 586 00:38:50,929 --> 00:38:52,747 That's all he needed to do. 587 00:38:53,112 --> 00:39:03,147 But I think like everything suffered, relationships suffered, like any guy that I was dealing with, like if he couldn't be like, fuck them, I'll pay all your bills. 588 00:39:03,147 --> 00:39:05,769 Did I want to talk to him about what's going on at Mayork? 589 00:39:06,609 --> 00:39:09,221 No, I don't, because you can't fucking self and help me. 590 00:39:09,221 --> 00:39:10,301 And if you could, you're not. 591 00:39:10,301 --> 00:39:17,055 So, you know, I'm not going to sit on the phone like crying to some dude who can't be like, fuck it, I'll pay your mortgage for the rest of the year. 592 00:39:17,055 --> 00:39:18,296 What have you always wanted to do? 593 00:39:18,296 --> 00:39:22,508 I would have started notable years ago if I you know, 594 00:39:22,508 --> 00:39:24,158 in a different place. 595 00:39:24,439 --> 00:39:27,170 But I think it does affect how you see people. 596 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:29,681 Your friends are tired of hearing about it. 597 00:39:29,681 --> 00:39:33,363 They don't want to talk about it because they're doing great in their careers and you're not. 598 00:39:33,363 --> 00:39:35,143 You feel a certain way. 599 00:39:35,223 --> 00:39:41,936 But it came full circle for me because the people who shunned me when I was going through it ended up going through it and then come in to me. 600 00:39:41,936 --> 00:39:44,067 let's do a class action lawsuit. 601 00:39:44,067 --> 00:39:47,889 Aren't you the one who told me that they'd never mess with you because you're so connected. 602 00:39:47,889 --> 00:39:50,350 Now you want to talk to me about a class action lawsuit? 603 00:39:50,350 --> 00:39:51,406 No, thank you. 604 00:39:51,406 --> 00:39:56,826 Like when I was coming to people, they were dogging me, trying to make me feel like something was wrong with me. 605 00:39:56,826 --> 00:40:00,846 And these are the same people that wanted to hang with me, wanted to be a part of my projects. 606 00:40:00,846 --> 00:40:06,846 And when I was really going through it all those times, I'm sure they were like, this girl's a problem. 607 00:40:06,846 --> 00:40:08,586 She keeps being put on corrective action. 608 00:40:08,586 --> 00:40:11,326 But I keep getting off it too and getting apologies. 609 00:40:11,326 --> 00:40:13,746 So that should tell you something there too. 610 00:40:13,866 --> 00:40:16,066 I wanted to look at it like that. 611 00:40:16,066 --> 00:40:17,078 I think... 612 00:40:17,078 --> 00:40:27,653 If you have these issues, think about being a contractor or a consultant where you don't have to go through these, you know, reviews and these like constant, you know, ery gotchas 613 00:40:27,653 --> 00:40:29,284 that they keep trying to throw at you. 614 00:40:29,284 --> 00:40:32,506 takes away a lot of their power over you in control. 615 00:40:32,506 --> 00:40:35,547 And that best time I had was at U.S. 616 00:40:35,547 --> 00:40:35,867 bank. 617 00:40:35,867 --> 00:40:41,314 And I think it's because they were great to me, but also because I was a contractor. 618 00:40:41,314 --> 00:40:49,086 You know, I had some level of control over how this was going to go because there are rules to engagement that they have to follow. 619 00:40:49,086 --> 00:40:53,318 So there are for you to think about your employment. 620 00:40:53,318 --> 00:41:00,440 If corporate environment isn't for you as an employee, maybe it's for you in a different capacity. 621 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:08,566 You know, I know that's easier said than done, but you have to start thinking offensively when you're going through these problems. 622 00:41:08,566 --> 00:41:12,859 And I honestly didn't see entrepreneurship as an opportunity for me. 623 00:41:12,859 --> 00:41:15,440 And my parents are like, we would have given you money to do. 624 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,973 And I'm like, thanks for telling me now after I've been beat up and uh abused. 625 00:41:19,973 --> 00:41:21,624 I did have PTSD. 626 00:41:21,624 --> 00:41:23,955 I think sometimes I still do. 627 00:41:24,976 --> 00:41:30,739 Really abused and put through it and they allowed it and they helped them. 628 00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:34,802 They gave them the tools to try to harm me. 629 00:41:34,892 --> 00:41:37,885 You know, I don't have any sympathy for these people. 630 00:41:37,885 --> 00:41:39,426 I don't sit and think about them. 631 00:41:39,426 --> 00:41:44,290 But if they do cross my mind, I certainly don't say a prayer for them. 632 00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:46,812 You know, so I don't give a fuck about them. 633 00:41:46,812 --> 00:41:51,015 But I care about black women and I think we deserve a better life. 634 00:41:51,015 --> 00:41:54,979 We deserve the careers that we work so hard for. 635 00:41:54,979 --> 00:41:56,801 All the sacrifices we make. 636 00:41:56,801 --> 00:42:03,276 Us getting a degree, us getting an MBA, us doing this is so much harder than the average person. 637 00:42:03,276 --> 00:42:11,861 And I don't think we're given the credit for all the things that we've endured, all the ways we've had to twist and turn ourselves to fit into these places. 638 00:42:11,861 --> 00:42:13,892 And it's still not enough. 639 00:42:14,693 --> 00:42:16,754 And you're treated like a child. 640 00:42:16,754 --> 00:42:18,615 You're treated like a little kid. 641 00:42:18,615 --> 00:42:20,376 They talk to you like a nothing. 642 00:42:20,376 --> 00:42:22,337 You can't stand up for yourself. 643 00:42:22,337 --> 00:42:25,429 You can't defend yourself or you're not accepting feedback. 644 00:42:25,429 --> 00:42:28,521 You have to let people play and lie in your face. 645 00:42:30,498 --> 00:42:40,391 mom or be a friend or be a girlfriend or be a woman to somebody or you know help the church do whatever it is you do you still have to stand up and do those things that's a 646 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:43,054 lot to ask of us. 647 00:42:43,358 --> 00:42:43,808 It is. 648 00:42:43,808 --> 00:42:47,600 I'm wondering when we're all going to collectively come together and just revolt. 649 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,361 And I'm starting to feel the shift. 650 00:42:51,361 --> 00:42:55,613 And I think just in the general labor market, I'm starting to feel a shift. 651 00:42:55,613 --> 00:43:06,818 But I feel like in particular, we have every reason now to be emboldened, to fight, to come together and fight together for our humanity. 652 00:43:06,818 --> 00:43:08,048 Yeah. 653 00:43:08,189 --> 00:43:10,670 What we need, we need our humanity. 654 00:43:10,978 --> 00:43:14,583 these jobs, we have to force a change. 655 00:43:14,583 --> 00:43:20,886 And I think I don't know what that revolt looks like, but it doesn't look like a seat at the table. 656 00:43:20,886 --> 00:43:29,402 Now that I definitely agree with, but I will say there are some black women who I've turned them. 657 00:43:29,402 --> 00:43:31,823 They're naturally polished. 658 00:43:31,823 --> 00:43:34,856 And I don't think that's a good term the more I think about it. 659 00:43:34,856 --> 00:43:36,307 But that's the only way I can explain. 660 00:43:36,307 --> 00:43:40,720 Like our friend, Marin, she is dynamic. 661 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,881 She does stand up for herself. 662 00:43:42,881 --> 00:43:46,223 She is the consummate professional. 663 00:43:46,223 --> 00:43:50,408 I've seen her in action and she does dope shit. 664 00:43:50,408 --> 00:43:53,040 She has gone through her stuff though. 665 00:43:53,081 --> 00:43:53,762 Right. 666 00:43:53,762 --> 00:43:57,125 And she's found the place where she fits. 667 00:43:57,125 --> 00:44:06,862 And I feel like there are places where bad-ass black women will fit, will be acknowledged, will be appreciated. 668 00:44:06,862 --> 00:44:07,743 fit at Target. 669 00:44:07,743 --> 00:44:09,364 We fit at all these places. 670 00:44:09,364 --> 00:44:14,329 We just get bosses and there's this manager's always right attitude. 671 00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:19,695 I think what Marin has encountered is great and I wish that for all of us. 672 00:44:19,695 --> 00:44:27,892 I think you have a more male-centric place, which I think she's at a more man-focused place. 673 00:44:28,162 --> 00:44:31,815 White men are a little different with us than I think white women are. 674 00:44:31,815 --> 00:44:37,090 And I tend as a publicist to be in a more white female-led space. 675 00:44:37,090 --> 00:44:41,333 If you get into it with a white woman, it's this two women caddy fighting. 676 00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:49,180 They don't see the racial implications and how she trumps you, even if she's at the same level as you not your boss. 677 00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:52,973 I think when I started working in finance, I did better. 678 00:44:52,973 --> 00:44:57,294 Now I had this terrible white lady boss, and I think they're not gonna 679 00:44:57,294 --> 00:44:59,534 not protect the white woman. 680 00:44:59,594 --> 00:45:08,214 But in my, you know, maybe warped mind, when I didn't have to deal with her, she made herself have to be dealt with because she was jealous. 681 00:45:08,214 --> 00:45:13,694 But if I hadn't had to deal with her, I think I would have been just fine at Invesco because it was male dominated. 682 00:45:13,694 --> 00:45:17,274 Nobody was really that's the only person who was competing with me was this weirdo. 683 00:45:17,274 --> 00:45:20,774 And really, I was making her look good because I'm her fucking employee. 684 00:45:20,774 --> 00:45:22,074 You hired me, goofy. 685 00:45:22,074 --> 00:45:23,934 So I'm making you look good. 686 00:45:23,934 --> 00:45:25,718 But she did it that way. 687 00:45:25,718 --> 00:45:33,082 And even there was one call where one of the guys said to her, look, we're running a global fucking organization here. 688 00:45:33,082 --> 00:45:34,603 Like you need to get with the program. 689 00:45:34,603 --> 00:45:38,676 And he was like, we are so tired of listening to undermine Raslyn. 690 00:45:38,676 --> 00:45:40,257 We can only imagine how she feels. 691 00:45:40,257 --> 00:45:42,488 And this was on a call with me on the call. 692 00:45:42,488 --> 00:45:51,073 They really, the white men did at Invesco do what they could do in their work. 693 00:45:51,073 --> 00:45:52,364 They're my business partners. 694 00:45:52,364 --> 00:45:53,544 I didn't. 695 00:45:54,030 --> 00:46:00,294 So I will say that in male, white male dominated fields, we tend to do better. 696 00:46:00,294 --> 00:46:02,206 That's the consensus that I get. 697 00:46:02,206 --> 00:46:08,380 I did, when I was going to write a book before Notable, I interviewed like 20 black women about their careers. 698 00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:15,815 And I did a survey and I asked them, think about your best work experience, close your eyes. 699 00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:17,006 What was it like? 700 00:46:17,006 --> 00:46:20,328 And what was the gender and race of your boss? 701 00:46:20,328 --> 00:46:22,990 And for the best experience, it was white male. 702 00:46:22,990 --> 00:46:27,470 90 something percent worse experienced white woman. 703 00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:30,030 So same like 90 something percent. 704 00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:31,770 And some people had a black woman. 705 00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:34,550 I mean, I'll do you know, somebody better Latino somebody at age. 706 00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:36,130 I there was some. 707 00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:44,090 the consensus was when they had white male bosses, he let them go because you can't knock him off his square. 708 00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:45,857 He's worried about you. 709 00:46:45,857 --> 00:46:46,990 No, not at all. 710 00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:51,870 He's take on all the work because he want to go play golf and hang with the boys. 711 00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:55,090 And, you know, like at Vesco, they order, you know, Popeyes every Thursday. 712 00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:59,270 That's what they look forward to thinking about you like that. 713 00:46:59,270 --> 00:47:06,370 So I did get my best bonus when I reported to Dan, even though he threw me under the bus with Melissa. 714 00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:07,310 He did. 715 00:47:07,310 --> 00:47:12,470 He and Elizabeth did together give me my raise, do what I put me where I was supposed to. 716 00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:15,150 I mean, I should have been even higher than that, but we won't go there. 717 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:17,890 when I did go to him and say, I think I should be a manager. 718 00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:19,290 You let these goofies be managers. 719 00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:21,550 And he's like, I don't think you're ready. 720 00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:27,330 Like, you know, he might do he came from NASCAR and now he's leading events at Target. 721 00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:29,330 When were you ready? 722 00:47:29,330 --> 00:47:38,571 You know, they get to have transferable skills come from NASCAR to Target events or, you know, and help oversee me doing fashion. 723 00:47:38,571 --> 00:47:39,515 Right. 724 00:47:40,438 --> 00:47:41,794 You know, who do you think you are? 725 00:47:41,794 --> 00:47:45,567 But see, they get to decide so much for you. 726 00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:59,719 We have to find that out, but I do think, you know, even with all my bad experiences, the best match is if you have to have a boss, a white guy and a black woman subordinate. 727 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,941 I think that is your best bet. 728 00:48:01,941 --> 00:48:11,489 And I've had women say like when they have job opportunities, you know, if it's a white woman they're going to report to, they, you know, more than likely don't want to accept 729 00:48:11,489 --> 00:48:12,060 the job. 730 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:15,493 Or if they do, they know they got about a year before it starts. 731 00:48:15,493 --> 00:48:16,866 oh 732 00:48:16,866 --> 00:48:22,257 women say, I will work for a white woman, but she has to be married, have kids and be a have a happy life. 733 00:48:22,257 --> 00:48:25,148 And I try to discern that through the interview process. 734 00:48:25,148 --> 00:48:29,289 She's unmarried and she's to talk to you until life is over. 735 00:48:29,289 --> 00:48:31,130 And don't you be married and happy. 736 00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:32,770 You know, they don't like it. 737 00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:41,213 So I think, you know, there's just so much that goes into us in a job and all these mental gymnastics that we have to play. 738 00:48:41,213 --> 00:48:42,363 You know, is she happy? 739 00:48:42,363 --> 00:48:43,059 Is she married? 740 00:48:43,059 --> 00:48:43,963 Is she going to fuck with me? 741 00:48:43,963 --> 00:48:46,126 If she does fuck with me, who are my allies? 742 00:48:46,126 --> 00:48:53,206 Like it's just crazy town and nobody's going to say leave Felicia alone. 743 00:48:54,546 --> 00:48:56,446 He's good for the company. 744 00:48:56,446 --> 00:49:01,186 And if you fuck with her again, I'm going to be looking at you. 745 00:49:01,976 --> 00:49:02,336 no. 746 00:49:02,336 --> 00:49:03,884 No, nobody says that. 747 00:49:03,884 --> 00:49:04,765 mean. 748 00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:10,190 So after you revolt, before you revolt, what is it we're asking for? 749 00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:13,090 And I think it's just like Black Lives Matter. 750 00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:18,150 We are marching and people are like, do do do, do do. 751 00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:20,530 Like it's okay, cool for now. 752 00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:22,390 And yes, George Floyd and all that. 753 00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:26,730 And then like, as soon as they change the bills, all the DI people are out. 754 00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:28,950 Like, I just think that 755 00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:34,325 you know, yes, we need to root for each other and advocate and have some sort of plan of rebellion. 756 00:49:34,325 --> 00:49:35,697 I'm all for that. 757 00:49:35,697 --> 00:49:40,671 But I think when you have that plan, then when they come to the table and say, what are you asking for? 758 00:49:40,671 --> 00:49:42,103 What are we asking for? 759 00:49:42,103 --> 00:49:42,843 You know what I mean? 760 00:49:42,843 --> 00:49:46,817 Like, how do you articulate what it is you want in this workplace? 761 00:49:46,817 --> 00:49:49,970 Like, hey, don't be putting black women under white women. 762 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:51,932 Don't even for the first three years. 763 00:49:51,932 --> 00:49:54,304 Don't I mean, like, how do you say that? 764 00:49:54,304 --> 00:49:57,118 So here's what I say we need to ask for. 765 00:49:57,118 --> 00:49:58,340 Leave us alone. 766 00:49:58,340 --> 00:50:00,683 Like if you hire us, let us do the job. 767 00:50:00,683 --> 00:50:01,985 Leave us the fuck alone. 768 00:50:01,985 --> 00:50:02,824 Like. 769 00:50:02,824 --> 00:50:07,138 Because you don't do the job the way they would do it, you're not doing the job. 770 00:50:07,138 --> 00:50:13,272 But that's why you hired me because if you could do the job the way you do it, then you wouldn't need me. 771 00:50:13,272 --> 00:50:18,585 You know, I had a boss one time, I used to write stuff and she said, well, I wouldn't write it like that. 772 00:50:18,902 --> 00:50:21,798 I said, well, that's because your name's not Renslin. 773 00:50:21,798 --> 00:50:25,010 Now, if you want it written how you would write it, then you write it. 774 00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:26,076 But this is how I wrote it. 775 00:50:26,076 --> 00:50:27,191 Is it wrong? 776 00:50:27,191 --> 00:50:29,453 No, it's just, that's just not how I would have said it. 777 00:50:29,453 --> 00:50:33,795 Well, then you write it how you would say it, because I don't write like that. 778 00:50:33,796 --> 00:50:36,047 And her critique about me wasn't that much. 779 00:50:36,047 --> 00:50:37,258 She said, well, your writing is really good. 780 00:50:37,258 --> 00:50:38,599 My writing's good. 781 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:39,860 It's factual. 782 00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:41,761 It's punctuated correctly. 783 00:50:41,761 --> 00:50:43,276 Everything's right. 784 00:50:43,276 --> 00:50:44,987 Why are you bothering me? 785 00:50:45,027 --> 00:50:50,029 But if you said that to her, she'd say, I was just coaching and managing her. 786 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:54,022 But it was an uncoachable thing, because how would you have said it? 787 00:50:54,022 --> 00:50:56,333 And what was wrong with how I said it? 788 00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:58,635 And our culture is so different. 789 00:50:58,635 --> 00:51:02,147 I just think it's going to be a problem, because we would say that's nitpicky. 790 00:51:02,147 --> 00:51:05,098 But if you went to some people, they'd be like, well, she was just being a manager. 791 00:51:05,098 --> 00:51:06,202 She was just trying to. 792 00:51:06,202 --> 00:51:11,682 You can't win when you can't even come to the table and see the same things. 793 00:51:15,781 --> 00:51:19,800 Okay, listen, thank you, Raslyn, for coming on the show. 794 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,392 Thank you so much for having me. 795 00:51:21,392 --> 00:51:22,861 This was so much fun. 796 00:51:22,861 --> 00:51:24,312 I hope it was helpful. 797 00:51:24,312 --> 00:51:32,582 It certainly was helpful for me to talk about it again and to, you know, talk about how I started versus where I am now. 798 00:51:32,582 --> 00:51:40,249 Because you're right, you do get to the other side painfully and with time, but you do get to the other side. 799 00:51:40,249 --> 00:51:46,274 And hopefully you can find people in your life that you can talk to about it, can relate to it. 800 00:51:46,286 --> 00:51:51,626 who can lift you up and offer support and constructive criticism where you need it. 801 00:51:51,726 --> 00:51:54,686 And soft place to land when you need that too. 802 00:51:54,686 --> 00:52:03,026 I, know, if anybody, you know, has any ideas for things that they wish someone had talked to them about in their career or things they want to know, like I asked one of them, she 803 00:52:03,026 --> 00:52:04,546 said, how do I get a board seat? 804 00:52:04,546 --> 00:52:05,506 Good question. 805 00:52:05,506 --> 00:52:06,886 We'll talk about that. 806 00:52:06,886 --> 00:52:14,744 You know, so those are the kinds of things like tell me what they're not telling you or what you need to know or what you feel you need to know. 807 00:52:14,744 --> 00:52:17,237 to be the best you can be at your career. 808 00:52:17,514 --> 00:52:18,457 Amen. 809 00:52:18,457 --> 00:52:23,064 Well, Raslyn, thank you so much and we will definitely be in touch soon. 810 00:52:23,064 --> 00:52:23,885 Thank you, my love. 811 00:52:23,885 --> 00:52:24,684 oh 812 00:52:24,684 --> 00:52:30,689 Well guys, that's a wrap on another great episode of the Career Management Podcast for Black Women. 813 00:52:30,689 --> 00:52:32,761 Yes, girl, this show is just for you. 814 00:52:32,761 --> 00:52:43,409 We're here to tell you how to play that chessboard at work, So, subscribe, comment, like, 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